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Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by dale coba » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:09 am

There has been a policy change at Hypnolust.
Due to Video pirating and sharing -
we will not accept any new memberships as of now,
until further notice.

This will certainly not affect any existing memberships
and/or our weekly updates but once the membership expires,
it cannot be renewed.

Please continue to enjoy all our clips
at our clip store: Clips4Sale.

Thank you for your continued support
and interest in our site.
No offense meant, honestly, but does this sound like a useful way to suppress video piracy? I can't figure out how it would work, but I know that I'm ignorant on the subject.

Can anyone here guess at an explanation? Maybe you've seen this on another membership site.
Or does this approach leave us all collectively puzzled?

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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by dale coba » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:28 am

I guess this decision might/could have an effect, if they had identified a particular member and cut off the account, but that pirate had a way to return under a new membership, just long enough to rip the site, again and again.

That might cut down on the potential membership more than it saves in [titles-not-pirated-so-people-instead-buy-those-titles], but I don't think water can be retained in that kind of sieve.

The trouble is, where does a site owner turn in this situation? Who can authoritatively speak to what can be done, and to the practical limitations of what can be done?

All I have is instinct, years of observation of file-sharing and video pirating, and casual reading of articles over the years. My instinct says, this won't achieve the goal, and it will lower profit by limiting membership.

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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by King Snarf » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:50 am

That's very unfortunate to hear.

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Post by --NightBattery-- » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:56 pm

dale coba wrote:
The trouble is, where does a site owner turn in this situation? Who can authoritatively speak to what can be done, and to the practical limitations of what can be done?

- Dale Coba

Maybe they could "tag" each video with some kind of code or/and some customised and inconspicuous visual cue* for each downloader to find out who is the transgresor in the future.
and, thou i don't know exactly what kind of personal information they ask to they members, they should ask for more and take the courage to make lawsuits (++$!).
that's what i would do if i was in a business like that.
also im a little drunk right now.

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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by KingJeremy » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:59 pm

I'm curious as to what videos are being shared. All of them? Just the robot ones? I've been a member for years and years and I only download the ones that are labeled "The Robot Movie" with the exception of a few of the induced robot ones. Even though I only download one movie a week, that's still a great value when considering what it would cost to purchase each title individually. If someone is sharing every clip that is a lot of potential sales/income lost.

Unfortunately when my three months expire this time around I will have to be much more selective in regards to which titles I purchase a la carte. While I would prefer to own the "complete collection" purchasing each title individually is cost prohibitive. We should start a thread where a different person bites the bullet each week and lets the others know if it's a "worthy" release. Might be difficult because everyone's tastes differ but we can get the gist of it.

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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by 33cl33 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:07 pm

No, this won't stop pirates. Might slow them down, since his is a niche audience and I can't imagine a ton of folks paying per video, then uploading for free (though people do it from other sites). Most likely it was one repeat offender.

There's also no attorney who would waste time going after someone who illegally distributed a $15.00 video online. And if they did, the case wouldn't succeed. If it did, it wouldn't recover court costs, which are a lot higher than $15.00 to sue someone for copyright infringement. You also have to have an actual registered copyright on the books for the material for a court case - and my guess is that Frank isn't spending that kind of dough on the quantity of videos he releases.

Basically, Frank just slapped his honest members on the wrist for something that they weren't doing.
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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by King Snarf » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:03 pm

KingJeremy wrote:I'm curious as to what videos are being shared. All of them? Just the robot ones? I've been a member for years and years and I only download the ones that are labeled "The Robot Movie" with the exception of a few of the induced robot ones.
I've seen a mix, as I get to H-lust by google instead of typing it in the address bar (less likely to have other persons in the household know what I'm up to that way).
33cl33 wrote:There's also no attorney who would waste time going after someone who illegally distributed a $15.00 video online. And if they did, the case wouldn't succeed. If it did, it wouldn't recover court costs, which are a lot higher than $15.00 to sue someone for copyright infringement. You also have to have an actual registered copyright on the books for the material for a court case - and my guess is that Frank isn't spending that kind of dough on the quantity of videos he releases.
There's also the fact that these are adult productions. Right now, the government just doesn't care about protecting the rights of people who produce adult content. Maybe there needs to be a porn PAC....

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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by dale coba » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:04 pm

Battery, they did start marking individual downloads a while back (not that any member would notice). That works to identify a pirate, but won't stop him from coming back with a new name; and it won't stop the next pirate.

From what I can see, many pirates are hypno fans, and all of Frank's videos including the Robot movies are likely to be pirated. I am certain there are other methods being used to pirate much of Clips4sale, methods I don't have any access to or details about.

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Post by King Snarf » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:52 am

On the plus side, Frank's RoboAngels site still appears to be taking memberships. Not as much content currently, and it's only the robot movies, but it's still a nice alternative to paying for every clip separately.

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Post by smalk » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:22 pm

--Battery-- wrote: Maybe they could "tag" each video with some kind of code or/and some customised and inconspicuous visual cue* for each downloader to find out who is the transgresor in the future.
and, thou i don't know exactly what kind of personal information they ask to they members, they should ask for more and take the courage to make lawsuits (++$!).
that's what i would do if i was in a business like that.
also im a little drunk right now.
Actually, it's a great idea. Once you now something about video editing it's easy to produce a lot of videos with different number in, like, the HUD display of the robot view scene. Just being able to recognize the assholes and to ban them (retaining their money) I think would be a good enough deterrrent.

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Post by daphne » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:48 pm

This is hands down the dumbest business decision I've ever seen in my life. This would be like McDonald's not letting anyone buy Big Macs because Burger King exists.

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Post by KingJeremy » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:23 pm

Talking to Frank on the issue, it seems that members who are currently subscribed can stay subscribed indefinitely with the rebilling method but if you cancel membership you can't sign up later. So the clubs still open you just can't get back in once you leave.

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Post by King Snarf » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:48 pm

KingJeremy wrote:Talking to Frank on the issue, it seems that members who are currently subscribed can stay subscribed indefinitely with the rebilling method but if you cancel membership you can't sign up later. So the clubs still open you just can't get back in once you leave.
That's unfortunate for those who had a temporary dip in the budget.

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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by dale coba » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:02 am

There's a lot shifting in the business, less money, money going more and more into cam girls and away from big studios.

Also unavoidably true, so much porn has been created in the last say 15 years, porn that remains perfectly watchable today. As it piles up in the public space, old porn devaluates new porn.

I could imagine that we might start seeing English-speaking cam girls contact us from countries like India and Brazil, as they have from Eastern Europe. All that fembot language might be intimidating, but the talent will find the customers, because the porn world is more "flat" than ever before. With technology, more Earthlings can transcend geography.
Porn Industry In Decline: Insiders Adapt To Piracy, Waning DVD Sales
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LAS VEGAS -- Walking around the Adult Entertainment Expo (AEE) in Las Vegas, you'd never know the porn industry was at half-mast, sales-wise.

There are floor-to-ceiling billboards of scantily clad sex actresses and HD TV screens showing every conceivable type of fornication (and a few unconceivable ones as well). Fans can take pictures with stars like Lisa Ann (the porn version of Sarah Palin), Julia Ann (no relation) and Alexis Texas (formerly Alexis Texass). If polite enough, the fanboy or fangirl might even get to touch a breast.

If the AEE was one's only exposure to the industry, the crowded convention hall might seem proof that porn is truly recession-proof. But insiders claim the business has gone limp -- metaphorically speaking -- because more people are watching porn for free over the Internet instead of purchasing it.

The end result means fewer gigs for hard-working porn performers like Dave Cummings, a 72-year-old porn actor who has also produced three series: "Dirty Dave's Sugar Daddy," "Sex Fun" and "Kneepad Nymphos."

"The piracy has killed the industry," Cummings told HuffPost. "I'd say 80 percent of the companies that were around five years ago either don't exist or are hanging by a thread. The day a new video comes out, within 24 hours, someone has set up a tripod in front of their TV
[CHOKE!, COUGH. sorry there; swallowed my tongue for a sec)] to copy it and then uploaded it illegally."

Cummings is staying home in San Diego this year, and feels the piracy has forced him into a premature retirement. "I'm not able to cover production costs, so why do it?" he said. "Companies that are still in business are either paying less in salary or having McDonalds do the catering instead of craft services."

Nate Glass, who runs TakeDownPiracy, an organization battling online porn copyright infringement, estimates DVD sales have dropped by 50 percent since 2007.

"A mid-level company that might have earned $350,000 a month in DVD sales before that was earning maybe $150,000 to $200,000 when the recession hit," Glass said. "That may have partly been due to the recession, but there hasn't been a bounceback like in other industries."

It's hard to track how much money the porn industry has lost, because it's nearly impossible to figure how much it typically earns. Theo Sapoutzis, the CEO and Chairman of Adult Video News (AVN), a trade journal that covers the porn industry and organizes the AEE, estimates that the pornography business made $10 billion in 2012, but admits getting exact figures is close to impossible since many porn companies are privately owned and tend to "inflate" their figures.

Sapoutzis "guesstimates" the industry made as much as $13 to $15 billion during its peak in the mid-2000s, before the recession. He accepts Cummings' suggestion that 80 percent of porn companies are now defunct or struggling, but Sapoutzis sees that as a sign that the porn business is maturing, not dying.

"There are more performers than ever before, but they're working as cam girls at home interacting with people, rather than in a studio," he said. "From a company standpoint, there's bigger competition. It's more difficult to enter."

Darren Roberts, who was the CEO of AVN between 1996 and 2010, said the last few years have been rough on sales of filmed fornication, but it's hard to know how much the companies are struggling.

"The companies are tightly held, so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt," he told HuffPost. "Otherwise, you can check sales at the retail level, the distributors or even the printer to see how many box covers were printed. But, even then, everyone refutes the figures anyway."

"The only thing for sure is video sales," said Roberts, who is also the author of The Unsexpected Story, a new book about the porn industry. "Sometimes, you can check which films did well on hotel cable systems because those are publicly traded companies."

No one can or will say how much money the porn industry has lost, but porn insiders won't deny that fewer films are being made, forcing actresses like Tanya Tate -- a 33-year-old who specializes in playing cougar roles -- to adapt.

"The budgets have been slashed," she told HuffPost. "Performers often have to do their own makeup."

Tate's solution has been to diversify. She started a PR agency, Star Factory PR, that represents herself and other adult industry actresses, and she also directs films.

Tate also has tried to broaden her base by capitalizing on her interest in cosplay, and dressing up in sexy superhero outfits. "I don't say I'm a porn star," she said. "I just say, 'I'm Tanya Tate and I have a cosplay site.' It's SFW [safe for work], but if they do further research on Facebook or Twitter, people will make the connection."

Other adult stars and companies are trying to make up for lost revenue by breaking into new products, according to Sherri Shaulis, the senior editor of Pleasure Products for AVN. "Video companies are breaking into novelties like sex toys or lingerie," Shaulis said. "The idea is that you can't download the novelty."

If times are as tough as porn industry insiders say, it's possible they could get worse with the passage of Measure B, a controversial condom-only porn measure that Los Angeles voters approved in November. The law requires adult film producers in the city to obtain a health permit before filming and performers to use condoms while engaged in sex. It also calls for health officials to be present on working sets and makes violators subject to fines and criminal charges.

But that's only, Akira says, if authorities can figure out how to implement it. "No one knows what's going to happen or how it will be enforced," she said. "Porn was illegal to shoot not that long ago and it still happened."

Roberts said despite the economic hardships the business has apparently faced in recent years, he thinks things are bouncing back. "I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel," he said. "DVD sales are coming back from two years ago. It was doom and gloom for a while, but people who put out good high quality product survived."
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Re: Can video piracy be minimized this way?

Post by King Snarf » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:17 pm

Certainly, the adult industry has an advantage over other media industry in that they're far more flexible and willing to adapt to changes in technology, as opposed to say the music industry. A music executive would love to smash your MP3 player with a hammer if they could.

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Post by dale coba » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:09 am

King Snarf wrote:Certainly, the adult industry has an advantage over other media industry in that they're far more flexible and willing to adapt to changes in technology, as opposed to say the music industry. A music executive would love to smash your MP3 player with a hammer if they could.
Music sales are over. For the first time in nearly exactly 50 years ago, a comedy album was number one on the charts, and three other comedians, and Dennis Miller. Sales after Weird Al's in the list fell off drastically; so other than the first four actual musical acts, no one sold sh|t.

What is the proportion of quality songs recently written, compared to the volume of quality songs which came before? The past overwhelms, the financial value plummets.
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