Critique this hot premise

[dale coba]

Concept for our film makers: With her in the room, a wife's girlfriend and her husband talk of their shared lust for her.

First, a simple, non-robot example:

A husband encouraged his wife to get breast implants that were nearly obscenely large.
Instead of being protective of her,
her girlfriend could be lustful at the result, and not object to the husband's "gift" to his wife.
The wife could be gleeful about them, not see any downside.

It's a bit unreal, all their attitudes in harmony.
It's a fantasy, right?

The girlfriend behaves in a way that treats her friend as a sex object,
so that we may enjoy their lustful enthusiasm about his wife's beautiful features,
and their plans for her.
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Enough with the non-robot example.
This is a robot story,
(but tell the actress playing the girlfriend to imagine as if their conversation were about breast implants, and that all three characters feel good and horny about the wife's new breasts.)

Instead, what if the husband had his wife Automatedâ„¢? (full nanite upgrade).
The wife has been rebuilt as a non-self-aware machine, programmed to be fun.
In this fantasy, the girlfriend could act lustful, and not object to the husband's "gift" to the wife.

Everyone is in harmony!
In this world, we can agree that wife Automationâ„¢ is good.

Though the girlfriend's attitude would look unreal... it would also look very HOT!
(and there's an explanation at the end of the story,
where the GF's own robot nature is also revealed
- not that an explanation must always be given, to explain a world in which
Automationâ„¢ is the accepted reality. It's porn; mystery is hot.)

More to follow...

- Dale Coba

[Asato]

Instead, what if the husband had his wife Automatedâ„¢? (full nanite upgrade).
The wife has been rebuilt as a non-self-aware machine

So, in other words, he murders his wife...

[dale coba]

Instead, what if the husband had his wife Automatedâ„¢? (full nanite upgrade).
The wife has been rebuilt as a non-self-aware machine

So, in other words, he murders his wife...

Yeah, because erotic fantasy is the same as real life.

Ya know what, kiddo?
You're a dickhead with a bad attitude.
I'd be fine if you blocked all my posts from showing up on your end.
Or, if you just blew away.

- Dale Coba

[Asato]

Hey, you asked for critique

[dale coba]

Hey, you asked for critique

Ha! Either that's irony, or you are slow.

I've seen what you can do to these sort of threads,
but I'll spell it out explicitly for You.

For those not aroused by erotic fantasies of automation,
(as should be obvious to anyone not looking to cause trouble),
your input here is neither constructive nor welcome.

- Dale Coba

[Adon]

To be fair, and I hope I'm not coming off as combative, but I think it's the 'made not self-aware' part that is the buzzkill for this critic. That is an appeal, a STRONG appeal for some, but for others it is a show of why having a fembot fetish isn't easily defined. For some, malfunctions are the main appeal, others find transformations a turn-on. And there are just as many who find those things incomprehensible at best, unappealing at worst. Even with transformations there there's a division between those who like the idea of transformation of mind as well as body, while others take the view that when you remove the mind or soul, you have effectively killed the person.

Just sayin' that one person's hotness is another person's squick, even within the same fetish.

[dale coba]

Just sayin' that one person's hotness is another person's squick, even within the same fetish.

Right: you get that;
which is why you aren't going to crash every thread by tentacle lovers,
just to gum up the conversation with your off-topic rants against them.

Is Asato so childish as to have believed such a "critique" was productive, welcome, or respectful of the rights of others?
Read up on Asato's past posts around this subject, and the deserved pwnage from other members.
Then, I may be better able to respect your chiming in here, with this point, at this time.
Or perhaps you'll see Asato's participation differently.

- Dale Coba

[Asato]

Hey, if you get turned on by murder, whatever. It's kind of disturbing, but still...

Also how was I supposed to know that "critique" in this context meant "mindlessly agree with and praise my ideas without voicing any objections or disagreements". I'd have to check my dictionary to be sure, but I'm pretty certain that's not an accepted definition of the word...

[dale coba]

Hey, if you get turned on by murder, whatever. It's kind of disturbing, but still...

If you can't respect the diversity on this board I think you should get the fuck out of here.

- Dale Coba

[BA2]

DC,
I like your premise and hope you pursue it further. Personally I lean towards the 'built' end of the spectrum but the 'conversion' concept does provide a handy short cut to underline the, I suppose, submissive nature of a fembot. Some women in real life go to considerable efforts to attain what they see as desirable traits: breast implants, beauty treatments, expensive hair cuts and impractical clothes for example; which sometimes contrast with their otherwise independent intelligence to create an intriguing paradox. By undergoing conversion into a manifestly less sentient but more 'perfect' robotic body with all the limitations and technological dependency that implies this paradox is pushed to its limits.

I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on the subject.

BA

[Asato]

Hey, if you get turned on by murder, whatever. It's kind of disturbing, but still...

If you can't respect the diversity on this board I think you should get the fuck out of here.

- Dale Coba

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/critique?s=t

cri·tique
   [kri-teek] Show IPA noun, verb, cri·tiqued, cri·ti·quing.
noun
1.
an article or essay criticizing a literary or other work; detailed evaluation; review.
2.
a criticism or critical comment on some problem, subject, etc.
3.
the art or practice of criticism.

So doing what you asked people to do is so terrible...

[dale coba]

You have no sense of what is appropriate, barging into this thread with hostility as you did.

You have an attitude problem,
bordering on a minor personality disorder,
with fantasies like mine.

Let it go.
Learn the difference between fantasy and reality.
Tolerate others, and
Grow the fuck up.

Empathy is difficult for people with Aspergers;
but perhaps the source of your cluelessness lies elsewhere.
Either way, I bet you're a hoot at parties.

- Dale Coba

[ministrations]

Did she choose to be Automated of her own free will? And is the process (and/or the removal of sentience) reversible? If the answer to those questions is yes, then that would invalidate Asato's concerns, although I'm not judging either way.

[dale coba]

Did she choose to be Automated of her own free will? And is the process (and/or the removal of sentience) reversible? If the answer to those questions is yes, then that would invalidate Asato's concerns, although I'm not judging either way.

Understood.

I've watched so much Hypnolust lately, where there's mostly a non-consensual plot.
The submissive spirit is evoked from the performer, but I'm thinking about how to tap into that, beyond the very basic struggle for control (Delivery girl shows up, gets hit by ray, etc.).

Frank's character doesn't delight in the cruelty, but what can intensify the subject's plight?
His scenarios take place in a world like ours, but there are some robot technologies which are impossible or at least ahead of us today. His female characters have reactions that make sense; but as in some compelling horror or sci-fi, the non-sense, the surreality is a portrait of the feeling of going through an experience.
It's not a picture from the outside, of how reality really looks to outsiders, skeptics, or an omniscient narrator.

Next post: another, very rough list of ideas to make up this sort of story.

- Dale Coba

[Epitaph]

Did she choose to be Automated of her own free will? And is the process (and/or the removal of sentience) reversible? If the answer to those questions is yes, then that would invalidate Asato's concerns, although I'm not judging either way.

Understood.

I've watched so much Hypnolust lately, where there's mostly a non-consensual plot.
The submissive spirit is evoked from the performer, but I'm thinking about how to tap into that, beyond the very basic struggle for control (Delivery girl shows up, gets hit by ray, etc.).

So that would be a no to both questions? I'm just curious, cause I want to get the gist of your premise and whether or not we're talking forced, irreversible conversions.

[dale coba]

Girlfriend of wife invited over, so Husband can show his newly fembot wife off to her friend.
GF and husband haven't known each other long,
but wife is her best friend at that... gym? women's group? (we never see her act like a feminist)

Wife is now a fembot, Stepford-style
He is thrilled with having had her upgraded,

• which could be left vague enough to imply either that she was just converted
  or was converted or built earlier, and this is an additional overhaul

Husband wants to share enthusiasm,
and GF has a positive reaction,
and the wife is positive (almost like in an infomercial).

Husband describes all her new features, such as:
- weight loss (she's happy) perfect figure forever
- doesn't get sick, or tired, cranky,
-- and I'm so horny all the time, now; now that I don't get those headaches anymore

• (i don't remember you having migraine problems.
  Oh, yes. They were very unpleasant.
  It's so good that I've been automated, and the headaches were deleted from my programming.)
  • (she never really had headaches)

- Walking around the neighborhood, she can scan homes for data, and learn interesting details, like a private gossip columnist
- kama sutra database
- discussion of sexually explicit details, but GF is still on board - like she doesn't understand any of the tech, but she's enjoying what she imagines she can do with wife.
-- personality settings
-- off switch (for those times...)
-- tri-sexuality (him, women, fembots)
-- faceplate removal for auto-fellatio
-- vaginal walls massage action
-- sensitivity controls for clit, anus, vag, grafenberg, nape, etc.

GF meow!

Wife: But it's a secret. In public I must behave like my old, human self
Good girls don't show in public how horny they are

GF: How did this happen?

Wife: It was his idea, an anniversary present (one year)
Nanites programmed to replicate in and automate a woman over a weekend
They have a lovely hotel spa, and fabrication clinic
But you don't have to go that route.
They make house calls
First they take enough control to establish a com-link, and once she's in a waking puppet-sleep, supplies delivered by her Sis-techs. Put her in the tub with all the needed raw elements, voila.

GF: it's not my thing, I'm not into tattoos and piercings.

Wife: I love it, I'm horny all the time.
I love it, I'm horny all the time.
I love it, I'm horny all the time.
This should happen to every girl.

GF thinks this malfunctioning is a problem,
but husband explains they are an intentionally programmed response to pent-up horniness.
GF: Like she's flirting with me? it's cute.

Husband: Walking down your street last evening, Wife had some great news to report.
That kiss she gave you last time worked! and since you don't have an owner,
we filed and were awarded ownership of you - a brand new Bimbot3000SE deluxe model [GF's name]

GF is dubious, thinks that it's a game.
Denies being a robot
- but wife can hack into her mind, and tell husband (and GF) what changes are she is making to GF's thinking (wife "hypnotizes" GF)

Wife speaks seductively, hypnotically to girlfriend, explaining how she has wirelessly hacked in to girlfriend's C.P.U., and is removing her personal root account, thereby deleting all free will. Next, wife writes a new root, with husband as the superuser. GF has no ego, and he is her superego.
GF is completely dehumanized, stripped of ego and opinions.

Finally:
- sex sex sex sex sex
- dress her up, put her in storage
- another friend is due shortly, would spoil the fun, to have her see GF like this.

Soon we'll have the whole team/club/group.
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- Dale Coba

[Asato]

Did she choose to be Automated of her own free will? And is the process (and/or the removal of sentience) reversible? If the answer to those questions is yes, then that would invalidate Asato's concerns, although I'm not judging either way.

If so, that would just change it from murder to assisted suicide (which is still illegal in most circumstances - whether or not it's immoral though is more a question of philosophy). Although I do admit I never considered the idea of it being reversible - if Dale Gribble here had simply tried to explain something like that instead of having a hissy fit over the fact that someone didn't like his idea, maybe things would have been more civil.

[Cecilauthor]

If his wife won't play ball, another option is to have her secretly copied, and then replicated as a non-aware fembot.

[dale coba]

instead of having a hissy fit over the fact that someone didn't like his idea, maybe things would have been more civil.

No, see, anyone who watched what you did to the sentience/non-sentience thread understands why no one should give you the chance to finish your Troll routine, once you start in like you did here.

- Dale Coba

[Asato]

So I'm a troll since I don't agree with you on some things. Got it.

[EvangelinevonWinter]

Instead, what if the husband had his wife Automatedâ„¢? (full nanite upgrade).
The wife has been rebuilt as a non-self-aware machine, programmed to be fun.
In this fantasy, the girlfriend could act lustful, and not object to the husband's "gift" to the wife.

- Dale Coba

Dale please forgive If I am missing something or not getting it because i'm dense but would it affect the story if instead of her being completely non-self aware she had a "code word" or physical switch somewhere she couldn't naturally reach and this activated her "non-self aware" mode?
that way the husband can have his fun, and have his perfect wife/playmate without erasing her completely?

By the way....Thank you for all the marvelous ideas.
I come here often when a dry spell hits for creative juices not of our own....

[dale coba]

You are most welcome.

That change establishes a much lesser sense of objectification. I wanted the friend and husband to treat her like an object, in a way that is over-the-top and impossibly out of step with the reality we know. The friend wouldn't be horrified at what the husband had done - and why does the friend think she can avoid the same fate? It's real Bizarro-world sexual politics.

Most fembot plots can be written for a few levels of increasing erotic intensity. I think about the more sophisticated grey matter of the mammalian brain, as compared to the ancient, primitive reptilian structures of our brain stem. The mammal-brain knows love and longing and the needs of others; the reptile brain, like honey badger, just don't give a shit. The semi-rational, mostly civilized "heart" wants validations - and I'm not looking to squeeze all the heart out; but the Id is most satisfied by simply taking, dominating with no negotiation.

I was aiming for the sort of hard-core porn fantasy which so satisfies the Id that a naive heart is too aghast to even accept the fantasy as a fantasy. As in BDSM, good, healthy people aren't looking for real harm in their play. The id isn't given actual free range to do harm, and the exaggerations of the imagination are used to signify that this here is a woman closer than any other to the sexual ideal. Like the implication that there would be a direct, close connection between a woman with preposterously impractical-for-living sized breasts and the celestial sex Goddess from whom arises all things bringing wood.

Fembot lovers want their own evidence, reminders that for the characters, this is real. Beyond the familiar props and jargon, the whole story can be infused with a constant, dark, powerful signifier - here, the id is the law, the norm. Maybe the whole society is involved, or maybe our sinister heroes are new to the game, but time will show the villains winning. Good, moral hearts do not win the day; instead, good has been redefined, and the immoral id world can continue, hornily happily ever after.

It's a totally insane world, without any mammal-brained reconciliations over the ethics between blah-blah and blah-blah-bl-grrrrHONEY BADGER WANT COOKIE! COOKIE!

That's why, for me, Stepford (1975) is one of the porniest places in the whole world.

The twisted narrative of objectification disorients the viewer's mammal brain - and the unrestrained, lustful libido is given just what it wants to concentrate on.

That's too much deep, reptilian fantasy for some; but
I prefer my coffee as black as midnight on a moonless night.

- Dale Coba, my avatar, leader of the most twisted little cabal in all of mainstream fembot film.
(Dr. Roger Korby had already been claimed.)

[DrFranklin]

Asato wrote:
dale coba wrote:Instead, what if the husband had his wife Automatedâ„¢? (full nanite upgrade).
The wife has been rebuilt as a non-self-aware machine
So, in other words, he murders his wife...

This is a transformation fantasy. I've roleplayed with submissive (and quite intelligent) women who find the idea of permanently losing their will to be quite arousing.

[gynoneko]

I cannot claim to be a fan of the transformation sub-genre myself, and I don't claim to understand it totally either, but I can say this about this thread....
1. Dale, don't take offense to what Asato said. It sounds mean to you, but you do understand that it is likely he didn't mean it that way. Besides, you did escalate the problem by replying in a negative manner.
2. Asato, this is a known sub-genre, so you shouldn't be too surprised, there are other posts and stories on here that deal directly with this topic.
3. Also, in my professional life, I am an artist and feedback/critiques are a daily part of my life. The one thing I can't stand is non-constructive feedback. If you have something you object to, or you think doesn't work, or whatever, try to offer a solution! Why doesn't it work?
So please, no more arguing. Just make sure if you lead feedback, you try to be openly helpful with it. Remember, the Internet makes things sound impersonal and often more cruel than you intend.
And Dale...
My suggestions would be to leave some way that the wife would be able to be herself again, but only at the whim of her husband. Some way he still had control over her, and there is nothing she can do, so he has a psychological control over her even when she is herself. Just a thought anyways.
Hope this helps.

[dale coba]

This is a transformation fantasy. I've role-played with submissive (and quite intelligent) women who find the idea of permanently losing their will to be quite arousing.

They know this "permanence" will be over quite soon; just as surely as we know the theater lights will come back on after the movie.

Asato and I had our words many months ago. Attitude aside, he's not wrong, this would be a murder - except not so in a fictional culture which has demented views. Stepford is insane; but the square root of Stepford is there in nearly every Republican-dominated state legislature. You have to go way out there to parody misogyny in state governments today.

Once she has been mechanized and pacified in the sanctioned manner, the handmaid's tale will be written only and exactly as her Master wishes. Certainly, no moral technofetishist would want a world where automations result in sentient beings who suffer. It's shoddy engineering and so unnecessary; she can always be programmed to act out suffering after she's been fully processed - at which point it would no longer cruelty, done to an unthinking object.

- Dale Coba