Achieving critical mass - ideas for ASFR media funding

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Achieving critical mass - ideas for ASFR media funding

Post by visceralpsyche » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:31 am

To follow up on a short discussion Dale Coba and I have been having I thought I'd begin this topic thread to discuss ideas for funding ASFR movie content (and other forms of media I guess) via new media, crowd-sourcing etc.

One of the great things about the internet is that it allows for worldwide communication with virtually no barriers, bringing people with highly specific interests together regardless of geographical boundaries. A great example is this forum of course!

As a filmmaker, it is my desire to make high quality, interesting ASFR stories with real plots that you can react to both at a visceral and emotional level (hence my company name Visceral Psyche!). At the same time I believe that my art is possibly one of a handful of options we have for getting not just a random shot here or there in disparate movies of ASFR content, but actually realising your exact fantasies in full blown genre specific movies. Content that is tailored for you, the ASFR lover.

I want to leave exact fantasy scenarios out of this particular thread. What I do want to do is open a discussion on how I (and others) can generate enough funding to bring some of these ideas to life in a way that does justice to the genre and most importantly, creates a SUSTAINABLE model for getting more content made in the future.

One idea that has recently begun to surface is the idea of pledge financing, with one such option beingKickstarter. The idea behind this is that the project originator nominates a project for funding and a time limit to raise that funding. Then people pledge to pay whatever amount they see fit with various benefits allocated them based on their level of funding input. If the limit isn't reached, no one is out of pocket and the project simply dies away. The only gotcha for this concept currently is that the project originator needs to be based in the U.S. with a local bank account. I am not, being based in Tokyo, so it would take a trusted member of this community who resides in the U.S. to start this particular method if it were to go ahead (say for example to fund the first episode of my Visceral Black project entitled "Virginal"). I mean, if there are say 5000 people worldwide who are REALLY into ASFR, and each was willing to put in $1, we could raise $5,000 for a project as long as the word got out to those people.

Another idea, not so directly related to funding but more one of getting word out that this project even exists, is the idea of Twitter feeds using particular keywords such as #fembot #gynoid etc. I have a Twitter account specifically for my Visceral Black project @visceralblack which I can begin to use more frequently to accomplish this, but it is only one voice in the wilderness until more people join in promoting it.

These ideas (and many more I hope you will raise in this thread) are hopefully a way to begin to take our love of such a specific fetish and convert it into a community momentum to generate new and interesting content geared to exactly what we want to see.

Looming over all this is also the ever-present spectre of widescale piracy of content. I'd like to see this discussed as well and how we can successfully navigate the morass in a way that keeps the funding model sustainable. I am under no illusions that this is an easy task. I don't expect to become a millionaire based on selling ASFR content. But sustainable means that I can generate enough income for both the cast and crew of my productions to make it an ongoing venture and keep people fed, clothed and sheltered. In other words, a decent remuneration for the work put in to give you what you want.

So! Let's discuss ideas to bring these ventures about (and of course I want to see others making this stuff too, not just myself, though naturally I'm biased towards seeing that my ideas come to light!).

The objective is to figure out how to crowd-source enough funds to get specific ASFR content (in my context that means movies) made in a way that allows it to be both high quality in scope and sustainable in a financial sense, while getting the word out to as high a percentage of interested ASFR lovers as possible.

Discuss!! :D

Paul

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Re: Achieving critical mass - ideas for ASFR media funding

Post by still time » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:38 am

visceralpsyche wrote:Another idea, not so directly related to funding but more one of getting word out that this project even exists, is the idea of Twitter feeds using particular keywords such as #fembot #gynoid etc. I have a Twitter account specifically for my Visceral Black project @visceralblack which I can begin to use more frequently to accomplish this, but it is only one voice in the wilderness until more people join in promoting it.
As far as the Twitter idea goes, I would associate myself with Le Trung and Project Aiko (which is also on Twitter).

Aiko is what Trung calls a Yumecom (dream computer robot).
He was actually inspired from anime titles such as DearS and Chobits (Chi is in site banner).
Aiko is made to be a constant companion that is like a substitute girlfriend.
Some of the board members are helping him with design and finance.
We've discussed advertizing but nixed the idea until version 2.0 is completed.
I would suggest at least joining the forums.
http://www.projectaiko.com/
http://projectaiko.ace.st/forum.htm

When I opened this thread, I actually thought you meant the Critical Mass hentai company.

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Post by dale coba » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:50 am

Piracy refuges: Niche interest groups with consumers who are:
- older
- more law-and-order
- less technically skilled
- female
- ? other traits ?
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Since Reagan, the USA has created a Super-Rich class, and the spoiled brats and merely mediocre children of Sam Wal-mart and Donald Trump should be cultivated as patrons. Find them in a limited set of US zip codes, a provocative, targeted direct mailings could catch the eye. Inspire a bored rich kid by feeding his fanboyness, show him exactly the vibrant on-line mini-community he will be actualizing. Storyboard in primitives, accessible behind web registration.

It worked for the Renaissance !

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Since social media will continue to rise, users will aid each other's piracy efficiency - unless you can ennoble the group in a way which enables their loyalty or at least a lack of enmity. Fan-based productions (Trek, Dr. Who) are examples which stem from this sort of relationship.

Props can build loyalty. David Lynch sells CD/DVDs, but in great physical packaging with printed material. Radiohead made a play like this with In Rainbows last year. Infocom had the Zork map, pin, storybook.

Apps for iPhone, etc. are becoming trivially simple to design

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Post by still time » Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:01 am

dale coba wrote:Piracy refuges: Niche interest groups with consumers who are:
- older
- more law-and-order
- less technically skilled
- female
- ? other traits ?
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I don't see what that has to do with this thread.

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Post by dale coba » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:14 pm

I was (clumsily) trying to point out how some target audiences are more likely to indulge in widespread piracy than others.

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Post by visceralpsyche » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:56 am

Dale, great post! I have to agree with you - I think in most instances catering to the younger, no-money crowd will inevitably lead to fewer sales and more piracy. In a niche market those factors will kill any hope of profitability in an age of instant gratification and widespread torrents etc.

I can see the more sensible strategy is to cater to the intellectually mature market. What I mean is that this community, as an example, is aware of its sexual interests and that they do not fit the stereotype of what most parts of society would consider "normal". That awareness (much like that of the gay and lesbian community), coupled with the intellectual honesty to admit it and be open about it, even if only partially and among friends, generally requires that the person holding the interests is smart enough to accept criticism and support others of the same ilk.

That sense of community means that like any community, we protect our own and try to help and support each other in order to stay strong together. Most people, given such a narrow spectrum of support, will instinctively do the right thing for that base.

Sure, there will always be a bell curve in any society - 10% will always do the right thing, 80% are just normal and will make rational/logical/emotional decisions to determine what "right" means before acting, and 10% will always do the wrong thing. But by and large what I state above is true for any minority group, and it is within such a structure that I hope to create the works of art that both entertain and inform and make you FEEL something special inside from having brought it to life yourself by your support.

Cheers!

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Post by dale coba » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:14 pm

The NYTimes ran an article which touches on the potential role of the Patron as stylemaker, and as a potential funding source for Broadway or other niche markets.
Celebrities in a New Theatrical Role: ‘Presenters’
By PATRICK HEALY
Published: March 1, 2010

Elton John hasn’t seen the Broadway play “Next Fall,” but he has invested a six-figure sum in the $2 million production. Jay-Z, Will and Jada Pinkett Smith, and their business partners have put $3 million into the Broadway musical “Fela!” And Lily Tomlin has just signed on as the lead promoter of a new one-man show off Broadway.

Their offstage roles this season are part of the newest wave in the celebrification of New York theater, where commercial producers have long sought to use famous people to sell tickets. In earlier eras, when Broadway spawned its own stars, Rodgers and Hammerstein or Andrew Lloyd Webber were imprimaturs of a good show; more recently theater producers have cast movie stars like Hugh Jackman and Jude Law to build an audience. Now the latest idea is tapping marquee names from pop culture as investors and “presenters.”

Such artists, who in general have put money into their shows, tend to have little to no creative involvement in them; instead they hope to use their prestige as tastemakers and trend setters to help shows stand out at a time of declining theater attendance. With only about 30 percent of all Broadway plays and musicals turning a profit each season, celebrity promoters say that they could become a particular help to shows that lack household-name performers.
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Post by Stephaniebot » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:34 pm

So lets see, we contact both Kylie and Beyonce then? :wink:
I'm just a 'girl' who wants to become a fembot whats wrong with that?

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