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"Good shows are cancelled every year," says "Terminator's" boss
"Terminator" got robbed!: Why "Sarah" deserved to live over "Dollhouse"
"Terminator" got robbed!: Why "Sarah" deserved to live over "Dollhouse"
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"In addition," "bad actress," and who's this "most people" to whom you're referring? Stints on The Unit, The 4400, and acclaim from Firefly say nay. Odds are she ends up guesting on a few shows (I'm thinking that Nathan Fillion show, Moonlighting-for-Dummies) before getting another permanent gig mid-season.the duke wrote: in edition to the fact most people think Summer is a bad actor
I'll tell you one thing, she was definitely the best thing about this loser project.[/i]
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Terminator Franchise Kaput?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts ... f3449189f9#
The widely-hyped movie made only about $13 million yesterday
and that includes about $3 million for the midnight showings.
Four other major Memorial Day weekend movies have opened
on the Thursday and all four did $25M+ that day.
Extrapolating from last year's Indiana Jones sequel, which also
opened on the Thursday before the Memorial Day weekend,
Terminator: Salvation would project out to perhaps $75 million
total through Monday inclusive. However Indy had better
reviews and word of mouth, as well as significantly weaker
competition. The Night at the Museum sequel, which will be
playing well to the family market, has a good chance at taking
the weekend now, while Star Trek should also do decent box
office and there are several other holdovers as well.
So it's likely Terminator will open to less in 5 days than Star
Trek did in 3 days only a few weeks ago, perhaps significantly
less. Terminator cost $200 million versus $150 million for
Trek. Terminator ought to do better overseas but Sony has
those distribution rights, not Warner Bros., which is handling
only the domestic release. Depending what kind of deal or
guarantees Warners made to get the domestic rights, the
bottom line on this movie may be marginal at best for them
and not inspire much enthusiasm for a sequel.
Likewise the foreign partners or investors who had to pony
up for this one and would be asked to do so for the planned
next two. Those next two may not happen now.
Meanwhile on the TV side, Warners was producing the
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles TV series, which
was cancelled by FOX despite having better ratings than
Dollhouse at the end and being a consensus better show
than Dollhouse. FOX produces Dollhouse so one can't
blame them for favoring its own, but Warners meanwhile
was said to not even be trying to shop the TV series around.
Presumably Warners saw the bad reviews and reception of
the movie coming, and that factored into them giving up on
the TV series, but if indeed the planned movie trilogy is
stopped in its tracks now, it arguably leaves the field clear
for the consensus better quality TV series to continue its
run and become a standard bearer for the franchise. Then
in another 10-15 years, maybe there's a remake of the
original movie and storytelling starts over again. If the
movie series stops at this one, Warners might even be able
to pick up all the franchise rights relatively cheap at this point.
The widely-hyped movie made only about $13 million yesterday
and that includes about $3 million for the midnight showings.
Four other major Memorial Day weekend movies have opened
on the Thursday and all four did $25M+ that day.
Extrapolating from last year's Indiana Jones sequel, which also
opened on the Thursday before the Memorial Day weekend,
Terminator: Salvation would project out to perhaps $75 million
total through Monday inclusive. However Indy had better
reviews and word of mouth, as well as significantly weaker
competition. The Night at the Museum sequel, which will be
playing well to the family market, has a good chance at taking
the weekend now, while Star Trek should also do decent box
office and there are several other holdovers as well.
So it's likely Terminator will open to less in 5 days than Star
Trek did in 3 days only a few weeks ago, perhaps significantly
less. Terminator cost $200 million versus $150 million for
Trek. Terminator ought to do better overseas but Sony has
those distribution rights, not Warner Bros., which is handling
only the domestic release. Depending what kind of deal or
guarantees Warners made to get the domestic rights, the
bottom line on this movie may be marginal at best for them
and not inspire much enthusiasm for a sequel.
Likewise the foreign partners or investors who had to pony
up for this one and would be asked to do so for the planned
next two. Those next two may not happen now.
Meanwhile on the TV side, Warners was producing the
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles TV series, which
was cancelled by FOX despite having better ratings than
Dollhouse at the end and being a consensus better show
than Dollhouse. FOX produces Dollhouse so one can't
blame them for favoring its own, but Warners meanwhile
was said to not even be trying to shop the TV series around.
Presumably Warners saw the bad reviews and reception of
the movie coming, and that factored into them giving up on
the TV series, but if indeed the planned movie trilogy is
stopped in its tracks now, it arguably leaves the field clear
for the consensus better quality TV series to continue its
run and become a standard bearer for the franchise. Then
in another 10-15 years, maybe there's a remake of the
original movie and storytelling starts over again. If the
movie series stops at this one, Warners might even be able
to pick up all the franchise rights relatively cheap at this point.
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Re: Terminator Franchise Kaput?
My Seattle-area theater was only 1/3 full for the 7:40p show. Stick a fork in this, because it's cooked.tmc_6882 wrote:The widely-hyped movie made only about $13 million yesterday and that includes about $3 million for the midnight showings. Four other major Memorial Day weekend movies have opened on the Thursday and all four did $25M+ that day.

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Just my suspicion:
The theme of the male, non-sexy, involuntary mutilation into a cyborg was prominent, if not dominant, in the first run of tv/cable trailers.
Dude was hangin' there by chains, and he doesn't even know that his lower half is gone, and then he's still alive so he knows he can't be human anymore. W?t!F?
In later trailers, that shot vanished, and the violation theme regressed amongst the others. Too gory? Too visceral (actually, the viscera should be hanging out of his torso, rather than wires)? Boxing Helena was too much for many viewers.
Amputation, prosthetics, disabled soldiers - we've got like how many survivors of what would have been lethal injuries, +50k-80k? When I first saw the new machine/man integration, I thought, "Maybe this theme will prove too deeply relevant and disturbing to test audiences."
Because that is one way I remember the veterans of wars.
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The theme of the male, non-sexy, involuntary mutilation into a cyborg was prominent, if not dominant, in the first run of tv/cable trailers.
Dude was hangin' there by chains, and he doesn't even know that his lower half is gone, and then he's still alive so he knows he can't be human anymore. W?t!F?
In later trailers, that shot vanished, and the violation theme regressed amongst the others. Too gory? Too visceral (actually, the viscera should be hanging out of his torso, rather than wires)? Boxing Helena was too much for many viewers.
Amputation, prosthetics, disabled soldiers - we've got like how many survivors of what would have been lethal injuries, +50k-80k? When I first saw the new machine/man integration, I thought, "Maybe this theme will prove too deeply relevant and disturbing to test audiences."
Because that is one way I remember the veterans of wars.
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It's pretty simple.
If there was gonna be a T4 people wanted to see, it was going to be an expansion of the little scenes of the War With The Machines sci-fi future we saw in T1 and T2.
And that was sci-fi war, in the dark, with laser beams!!!
not something that looks like Trasnformers with regular machine guns and choppers in the desert (reminding people of Iraq), or worse,
ends up being not much different from straight to DVD action shit, except with a bigger budget.
Oh, and the small matter of the strange incident with Arnold's role in the movie.
But, Arnold wasn't IN the movie.
Exactly Watson! That is what was strange!
Terminator without THE Terminator?
Kinda like a Hannibal Lecter flick without Anthony Hopkins.
If there was gonna be a T4 people wanted to see, it was going to be an expansion of the little scenes of the War With The Machines sci-fi future we saw in T1 and T2.
And that was sci-fi war, in the dark, with laser beams!!!
not something that looks like Trasnformers with regular machine guns and choppers in the desert (reminding people of Iraq), or worse,
ends up being not much different from straight to DVD action shit, except with a bigger budget.
Oh, and the small matter of the strange incident with Arnold's role in the movie.
But, Arnold wasn't IN the movie.
Exactly Watson! That is what was strange!
Terminator without THE Terminator?
Kinda like a Hannibal Lecter flick without Anthony Hopkins.
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Saw Terminator Salvation today. My only complaint is the fact that they didn't have any comedic moments to offset the constant action. That and, obviously, no fembots---unless SkyNET using Helena Bonham Carter's image while talking to Marcus Wright counts.
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Joss Whedon: I want Summer Glau on "Dollhouse"
But he doesn't want the "Terminator" star playing a doll. "But first we have to come up with something that works," he says of Glau. "Summer would be perfect to play an active, but she's done that (type of role) a lot," he says. "I'd rather see her play someone who talks too much."
"Terminator" finale tried to close a door while opening another
But he doesn't want the "Terminator" star playing a doll. "But first we have to come up with something that works," he says of Glau. "Summer would be perfect to play an active, but she's done that (type of role) a lot," he says. "I'd rather see her play someone who talks too much."
"Terminator" finale tried to close a door while opening another
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"Terminator" boss: Cancelation is worse than death
http://io9.com/5278450/sarah-connor-chr ... over-again
Josh Friedman writes a hilarious rant on his blog: "Everyone says having your show cancelled is like a death but I've been dead before and at least when you're dead you don't get thrown off the Warner Bros. lot for haunting your old parking space."
Josh Friedman writes a hilarious rant on his blog: "Everyone says having your show cancelled is like a death but I've been dead before and at least when you're dead you don't get thrown off the Warner Bros. lot for haunting your old parking space."
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