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Post by Miss Silver Karakuri » Wed Oct 09, 2002 9:55 am

Yesterday in the chatroom there was some discusion about the fact that in general there seems to be this serious lack of video media which seems to be good. Mostly it would seem we were griping the usual gripe you hear, but then I asked why haven't we done some work ourselves. There was some gripe about the money involved and the sort, which made me wonder.

You see I have been around a good deal of people who on almost NO budget have put together some pretty good artsy video shorts, which then goes around the queer film circut, (what can I say I have hung around a bunch of cool queer people in my day). What they do isn't particularly impressive from a production standpoint we are talking some money but not a great deal of it.

There was some work in the production of one work I believe by Robolvr at one time, and I heard it was somewhat promising actually, but how about others? Are we attempting to make our own work beyond the occasional story and manip?

Mostly where things start is a good script, and so I was wondering if people would be interested in attempting conversion of do-able stories or scenes from stories into scripts (with permission by the authors if its not your own work of course) or have your own scripts or ideas for such might want to put them forth or start work on such things, and see what can be come up with, and then maybe if anyone has the equipment work can be done to try and make them more of a reality.

Its a step I think in the right direction for getting to see what we want to see in our media, even just brainstorming last night there were some great ideas being discussed which wouldn't take huge amts of effort if one just thought of interesting ways to apply it to the moving image.

Who knows maybe soon we can be trading short TechnoFet clips instead of just pictures and stories?
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Post by Android675 » Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:14 pm

When Keraptis, Robolvr and I produced "Upgrade," one of the most difficult hurdels to overcome was the lack of talent. Who were we going to get to dress up in silver spandex and act like a robot? Past that, the person would have to be convincing (and good!) at being robotic. It was a miracle that we found the talent, and even more of a miracle that they were able to pull off some pretty convincing robot acting.

Don't get me wrong, though - there were a lot of other hurdles that we had to get over. That was just the first and most critical, because we didn't have control over it. Another problem was adapting an ASFR theme into a shootable story. Much of what drives ASFR stories is (obviously) sex. And we definitely didn't want to do porn - not to mention that it would be much more difficult finding talent for something like that. The fact that we couldn't do any special effects (like panels opening) was also a limiting factor. Getting the crew was an issue as well. As was the tremendous amount of time spent on the writing, shooting prep, editing, dubbing, etc. Overall, we spent about five months on the project from start to finish, much of it on late night conference calls or all night/weekend editing sessions. Total cost to us: $2600. Total received so far in sales: a lot less than that.

We've played around with the idea of doing something something else to follow up on "Upgrade," but I know we don't have the time or money to commit to something like that at the moment.

Believe me, I'd love to see someone else do some good robot video. However, having done it, I wanted to let you know what you're up against!

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Post by Android675 » Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:16 pm

Did I say hurdels? I meant hurdles.

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Post by ehy » Wed Oct 09, 2002 7:24 pm

I love the idea. I'd be happy to write a script - maybe based on one of my stories; maybe something fresh. Or to review someone else's with an eye toward suggestions for improvement. BUT, that and shooting ideas are really all I'm prepared to contribute. I know that probably doesn't push it all that much closer to happening, but there it is.

If anyone has the resources and interest to actually find the talent and make the movie, I say great! Feel free to let me know what the parameters are that you can work with (how many actors/actresses, how much if any sexuality, idea of what you can do for sets, costumes, special effects, and so on - and what kind of a story you want to do) and I'd love to try putting together a script that would work.

Heck, one of the reasons I'm not writing more lately is that it just doesn't do so much to *write* as it would to *see*.

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Post by Miss Silver Karakuri » Wed Oct 09, 2002 7:36 pm

Well how is this we design some parameters, ie a simple set of guidelines so that the shooting would be easier, and anyone can submit the script if anyone says "Hey, ya know I like that idea I have the equipment, Lets Do It" and maybe we can see it happen?

Here are some suggestions

Keeping the numbers of people involved to a bare minimum, ie one 'gynoid' or two at the most.

Keeping the sex scenes (if any) to softporn... and not the whole idea of the video, but rather if any part of a larger storyline.

Anyone else have some suggestions?

I also want to stress that its just to create a bunch of scripts so that if something really good comes along that someone WANTS to put to video or something they can cause its there to use, after they contact and get permission of course.
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Post by keraptis » Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:35 am

To echo what Android675 said, the problem here is finances. We did "Upgrade" on a shoestring budget of $2600 and didn't come close to making our money back. What's missing is not people with script ideas, or people saying "I wish someone would make a movie." What's missing is people willing to PAY to see the work.

So if you can find a producer who's willing to create ASFR shorts with his/her own cash and no expectation of breaking even on the project, great ... though I don't see what that person's motivation would be.

I am certain that our group would be working on a sequel to "Upgrade" right now if more people had bought the first video. Even breaking even would have made it worth doing again. Barring that, the only way I could imagine doing a new movie would be to raise the necessary funds in advance from people willing to pay to see the work come to light. Find 20 or 30 people willing to put in $100 each and you could finance another project, otherwise I just don't see how it would get done. (Not to mention, MOST of those 20 to 30 would have to agree to be silent partners from a creative standpoint or the project would be completely paralyzed.)

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Post by Miss Silver Karakuri » Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:57 am

So realistically, its a finances thing, quick question how long was upgrade (in mins)? Ive seen people throw together works for much cheaper than $2600 but then they were short films 10 mins and the sort (if they went over a grand they were spending too much money), granted finding someone to play the 'gynoid' in the film won't be that easy (there are only a handful of us women involved in this fet/genre). Thats the MAIN logistical problem after you get a script and equipment together.

Now the importance you say is on finances and attempting to make back the funds used and perhaps doing a little profit. Yeah that would be nice, but then it seems there aren't that many people able to finance works being done. More luck would be perhaps found by putting a good piece of work together and the finding what film circuts would find such a film as a good thing to show and you can drum up support for future works by gaining popularity that way, if its good that is and sometimes you can get some money from the circuts as well, its in no way a cash cow, but you can get something.

Here in Canada, as long as one knows how to write a grant proposal, there are a number of institutions (like the National Film Board Of Canada) which fund money to projects dealing with culture and alternative sexualities, and there are many ways you can write things so you can get money from some places youd never have thought you would get money from, its all in the wording. Yes you might get turned down a lot but its all part of the process.

Although you have to know what your shooting and what you need to acquire for the funds to be used for. Artistic little ditties don't take much and $50 here $100 there can do wonders for such a small budgeted little project. Totally expecting to make the money back on something seems unlikely however in most projects, which is why some personal funds that are used should be limited to spendable cash that one is NOT expected to be seen again. Plus the experience makes the next one cheaper, or where more funds should have been devoted.

The first bunch are always cheezy which is why its good to focus on scripts and ideas solely to help weed out the really cheezy ideas and then take the good ideas and walk through how you might shoot it, see which ones are doable, see which ones can be made that would be cool and then focus on that and then when your sure focus on getting equipment money and people.

Obviously I don't know the process you three went through to create upgrade but I am sure you now know ways you could have done it better or ways you could have saved money as well.
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Post by andoroido » Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:01 am

An alternative method (which I'd love to try if I had the software)
for producing ASFR film would be video mainpulation.

There have been thousands of photo mainpulations.
Home computers are powerful enough these days to do video manipulation, easily equaling cheesy 1980/early90s pre-CGI effects.
Such a project would require a lotta work, but could be done by a single person (with a lot of spare time)

Anything could be used for the source video, a clip of your favorite actress, whatever... use sound manipulation to give her an android voice, manually slow down, rewind, loop the film to produce malfunctions, and if you want to get really technical, overlay some video F/X of circuitry or just the cheapo lightning and sparks method used in the popular Hong Kong films, like Robotrix or I Love Maria.

The cost would be zero, if there's a good shareware video editor.
Of course such things would have to be bootleg for legal reasons.
We could even "improve" already existing ASFR movie scenes, making our own improved "Director's cuts" for our tastes.

The biggest bonus of all, is such movies could be instantly shared with the whole community. We'd just need a place to store them.

People here obviously enjoy photomanipulating their favorite women, video manipping would be just as appealing, I guess, just a lot harder to do.

Thoughts? Pointers to video software?

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Post by Miss Silver Karakuri » Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:34 pm

While I did think of this and regarding the discussion in the chat room about having scripts and stuff, I was seeing the video manipulation strictly for new works. Simply maniping OTHERS works I never thought of, I am surprised people haven't done it yet, it certainly would be cool. They have the The Phantom Edit, why can't we do some short scenes here and there which are very ummm enticing.
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Post by ehy » Fri Oct 11, 2002 4:02 pm

I'm curious - could you provide some breakdown on what the $2600 went to? It sounds entirely believable; I'm just wondering whether anyone here might be able to think of economies you didn't, or be able to provide access to expensive resources more cheaply, or something of that kind. At the very least, it'd be interesting information for anyone thinking of doing or funding a project to have.

As for video manipulation - I suspect the hardest part of the project is getting people who can act. I don't expect to see good video-manipped acting any time soon from any non-professional house - even things like Star Wars generally use human models to base the CGI movements on.

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