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In Review: Chrome Angels, & Surrogates

Post by Baron » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:46 am

The more things change, the more they stay the same..........but worse............

Yeah, I'm still jaded. And cynical. And after recently screening the subjects of this installment, I'm also a bit less optimistic about what the future may hold, in terms of indie-film-making.

Perhaps I'm spoiled, in the wake of 2040 - but even that one actually falls a bit short in more than a few areas. However, the former is an enigma; a porno flick with "A-feature" aspirations. Our subject matter here is more "mainstream" indie-fare; although Chrome Angels had a fraction of the budget of Surrogates, both are pretty much Grade-D {or worse} through and through.

No matter; both are pretty elaborate shaggy-dog stories with some window-dressing, designed to make tha average viewer think "new idea;" when in actuality both are simple re-treads of established {and clich`ed, AND tired} themes that weren't new 30 years ago..........

I'll get to the dissection of Surrogates in a bit; Chrome Angels comes first for one, and only one reason - the delightful Eliza Swenson, queen of the "badass-bitch C-flick, straight-to-DVD" genre of late. Although she's a pretty pale carbon of a couple other, infinitely more talented Elizas, Ms. Swenson nonetheless steals what "show" there is here in this shoddy exercise, which don't say much for the nominal "headliners" of this dreck.

The plot is simple - a disgruntled scientific genius gets pissed off at the world, and plots to blow it up, aided by lots of stolen plutonium, and more than a few robots to deliver it when the time comes. Just to make things interesting, an all-female biker gang gets mixed up in the plot when they stumble into the town where the robots are being readied and dispersed into society at large. The Evil Genius is having none of this, and quickly duplicates three of the biker-babes {including Eliza} for infiltration purposes; nothing will thwart his plans, do you hear????

Except for: the geek assistant who switches sides when his manhood is sapped by one of the biker-babes and betrays the Evil Genius; two obligatory modern-day Abbott & Costello types to help the girls; and the three duplicate biker-babes {including Eliza} who are re-programmed to go against the Evil Genius, shoot shit up, and otherwise zoom around aimlessly on their hogs. In the end, the Evil Genius and his plan are thwarted, and the three duplicate biker-babes {including Eliza} are adopted by the remaining gang, since the three originals {including Eliza} were killed somewhat earlier in the film.

If you think this plot is the neatest thing since "Robo, er, Cyber C.H.I.C.," well good eye - save for the sex of the biker gang, and two of the three featured female robots {including Eliza}, it IS Robo, er, Cyber - you get the point. And it has about as much robotic content as RC, too; the best highlight being Eliza's wonderful but brief activation-scene. Here's a tip though; the screencaps of that scene which are on Fembot Wiki in the "unsorted" gallery are better than the film itself. In the film proper, Eliza and the others' eyes are "FX-ed out" during activation, glowing blue-white - and ruining the lovely blank look she favors the camera with in the stills {and trailer}...............



Okay, Bruce Willis starring in an adaptation of a graphic novel ought to be a little better, right? Well, for me it wasn't. In fact it was downright boring; Brucie was basically phoning it in - he didn't even kill a helicopter with a taxi - and his "surry" gave me such a Jeffrey Jones vibe I was half afraid either Matthew Broderick or Pee Wee Herman were going to turn up in a cameo.......... :twisted:

The plot here is also simple - someone has found a way to kill people through the "surrogates" they operate, which in turn threatens a whole way of life, what with humanity mostly living vicariously though the robotic surrogates, and largely dependent on them. Bruce tries to stop this electronic Rapture, but fails - which has the effect of liberating humanity from their surry-dependence.

As mentioned earlier, this one was adapted from the graphic novel of the same name - rather loosely, some would say. I'll take it one step further - the basic thread of this tale stems from a failed project by The Who's Pete Townshend called Lifehouse, which deals with a future dystopia of people living in "experience suits" until they are freed by a Guru-type who doesn't believe in pre-programmed anything. Sound familiar? Pete started work on Lifehouse in 1970 - and it still isn't finished!!

Like Chrome Angels, Surrogates has little to offer gynophiles, save for selected vignettes which all can be seen in the trailers for the film. Which is what I'd recommend viewing, unless you absolutely have to waste eighty-odd minutes of your life on a story that just don't do the do all that well. Neither film is all that memorable from a gynophile's POV, but Liz Swenson's un-FX'd blank look rates right up there with Westworld's Elevator Girl, IMHO. Too bad she didn't work it for all it was worth. Finally, both flicks are readily available online - could this mark the beginning of the end for DVD's??? If they keep cranking out crap like these two, I sure as hell HOPE SO!!!!

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Post by Gorgo » Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:20 am

Skimmed through one and haven't (and now WON'T) see the other one.
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Post by User1222 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:11 pm

I think we should start a poll, of the best Gynoid movies, and where to get them. Anyone else agree?

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Post by Baron » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:57 pm

Thanks for the support, Gents - nice to know the ol' hatchet is still sharp. :twisted:

I'm down with Kishin's fine idea of the personal top 10, as a way to gauge the new offerings; much of what gets us all going is contained in vignettes within a given feature, rather than the feature as a whole {with some few exceptions like 2040, Halloween Treat, or Fection's animations}. All this doesn't take away from the basic trend of our beloved fembots still being niche / "fetish" material, rather than a "mainstream" plot vehicle.

'Course, the fun factory out on the Left Coast would be damn hard-pressed to come up with a good new idea that could carry a short, much less a feature, these days - especially if Cameron, Tarentino, or Burton is involved in any way!!!
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Post by keraptis » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:14 pm

Kishin wrote:Best is a subjective term. Whats best to one might be awful to another.

Instead what you might do is name a personal best top ten.

For example my Top ten would be:

1. Westworld
2. Futureworld
3. Cherry 3000
4. Cyborg 2: Glass Shadow
5. Galaxina
6. Austin Powers: The Spy who Shagged Me
7. A.I.
8. Stepford Wives
9. Halloween III
10. Eve Of Destruction

Doubtless a lot of people would disagree with my choices, but there you have it. Its MY personal top ten. :D
Just curious, since you left out what to me is the all-time #1 ... have you seen I Love Maria, and if so did you leave it out of your Top 10 by mistake, or on purpose? :shock: :)

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Post by Karel » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:55 am

This is what really bothered me about Surrogates, and I don't mind saying it, as my first comment in unknown months: the film depicts a world in which everyone has adapted surrogate technology. But there are "reserves" for people who reject it.

Typical Hollywood bullshit. The fact is that in a situation like that only the rich world would be able to afford surrogate technology. The poor world would be stuck with their own fleshy bodies. There'd therefore be no reason for rejectionists to establish "reserves" in the developed countries without surrogate technology: they'd simply move to the developing world. But that's far, far too nuanced for ethnocentric Hollywood.

That's my two cents.

(Aside: 2040 was really good, eh? I assumed it would be, from a filmmaking perspective, but not from the perspective of this board. I suppose I should see it soon).

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Post by gynoneko » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:54 am

I believe Surrogates is based on a comic book. Something like "reserves" for the non-surrogate people would probably have been in there, not something "Hollywood" came up with. Either way, I wasn't all that disturbed by it, I only wish it was adapted better. I should read the comic sometime, I just never got around to it.

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Post by Brytestar » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:43 am

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Post by jolshefsky » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:43 pm

I get your point about Cyborg Conquest, but think you're way off the mark that this is a terrible ASFR film. I already posted a review, but I'll reiterate that Cyborg Conquest does respond favorably to numerous complaints we've lodged against other films:
  • Unattractive women: in this film, the women are all more attractive than average.
  • Robots are really mind-controlled people, clones, or cyborgs: if anything, this has the opposite problem that the movie is titled "Cyborg Conquest" but indeed all the artificial people are really androids.
  • Insufficient screen/plot time: android women are a critical plot point and are on-screen more than a third of the time.
  • Robots are evil and must be destroyed: in the end, a few surviving robots stick around to be friends with with the group.
  • Bad robot acting: perhaps personal preference, but I much preferred the "adept impostor" version of robot acting as in this much more than the more typical "stilted robot voice bordering on mental disabilities" method.
One of our complaints that Cyborg Conquest can be faulted for is lack of proof of mechanical nature (although the body-printer special effect was relatively good, fitting the rest of the film that if you know anything about science, you have a lot of extra belief to suspend). But to complain the plot is stupid, well, that's just par for the course in B-movie sci-fi.

For instance, considering Kishin's list – of which I think all the films are some of our top options – there are still a lot of flaws:
  1. Westworld - not much fembot screen-time compared to the gunslinger; all robots must be destroyed. Aside from the Delos concept, the plot is really quite boring.
  2. Futureworld - better than Westworld, but kind of a weak plot and again, not much fembot screen-time and all robots must be destroyed.
  3. Cherry 3000 [sic] - Cherry 2000 has almost no fembot time save for the very beginning and end. Extra credit for highly attractive fembots and perfect acting in the kitchen scene.
  4. Cyborg 2: Glass Shadow - one of my favorites although the plot is tiring.
  5. Galaxina - (abstain – I haven't seen this in a long time.)
  6. Austin Powers: The Spy who Shagged Me - one scene only where Vanessa is a robot. Another bad plot, too.
  7. A.I. - practically no fembots at all: the face-splitting secretary, a walk-by of prostitue Jane, and the face-on-a-stick lady if I remember right. (Don't get me started on how bad a film this is.)
  8. Stepford Wives - generally good all around although a serious lack of disassembly/open panels
  9. Halloween III - given that Ellie is a robot for the whole movie, we have one fembot. The plot is absurdly challenging to digest. However, bonus points that Stacey Nelkin is astonishingly attractive.
  10. Eve Of Destruction - another terrible plot, but otherwise few complaints. Fembot insides are a little to human-realistic for me.
We're all entitled to our opinions, but so far, I don't think there contender for a seriously perfect fembot film. Some have scenes here and there, but every one has at least one serious flaw. I mean, take that list I made at the beginning (along with Cyborg Conquest's flaws) and here's the recipe for a perfect movie:
  • Actors have above-average attractiveness.
  • All fembots are truly mechanical.
  • Fembots are central to the plot.
  • Robots and humans can coexist peacefully / robots are considered good.
  • Excellent robot acting.
  • Plentiful assembly, disassembly, repair, and open panel scenes.
  • Special effects and exposition/explanations/descriptions are technologically plausible.
  • An engaging, interesting plot.
Great ... now I'm all excited for a movie that isn't around!
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Post by Karel » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:04 pm

gynoneko wrote:I believe Surrogates is based on a comic book. Something like "reserves" for the non-surrogate people would probably have been in there, not something "Hollywood" came up with. Either way, I wasn't all that disturbed by it, I only wish it was adapted better. I should read the comic sometime, I just never got around to it.
Honestly, I doubt that any such thing was in the "comic book." I tried to order the "comic book" in advance of the movie: none of the comic shops I visited had ever heard of it. The only evidence I found of its existence on the internet were some unbelievably rudimentary charcoal sketches. I honestly suspect that it's something that ended up on the cutting room floor of a relatively unknown commercial cartoonist, and was then maybe distributed to a few friends via vanity publishing. I wouldn't waste time trying to track it down if I were you.

A potentially intriguing idea, stupidly executed twice.

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Post by jolshefsky » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:40 pm

Kishin wrote:You're free to disagree with my choices. But if you do, I'd think it only courtesy that you post your own.
No no – your picks are not far off from a list I'd make. I'm just saying that I think Chrome Angels / Cyborg Conquest is getting an overly harsh treatment. I mean, give it 20 years and see how it stacks up. My point is it's not any worse than Halloween III and in many ways it's better. I'll probably get the DVD sometime in the future whereas after having reviewed Nemesis via ftp, I can say I probably won't.
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Post by Baron » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:03 am

jolshefsky wrote:
Kishin wrote:You're free to disagree with my choices. But if you do, I'd think it only courtesy that you post your own.
No no – your picks are not far off from a list I'd make. I'm just saying that I think Chrome Angels / Cyborg Conquest is getting an overly harsh treatment. I mean, give it 20 years and see how it stacks up. My point is it's not any worse than Halloween III and in many ways it's better. I'll probably get the DVD sometime in the future whereas after having reviewed Nemesis via ftp, I can say I probably won't.
In 20 years, Chrome Angels will be a 20-year-old reworking of a fifty-year-old story that still wasn't very good {or original} to begin with. Totally derivative in every sense of the word - right down to borrowing the title from a real female motorcycle club in SoCal.

And 20 years from now Eliza Swenson will be an embarrassed grandmother............
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Post by keraptis » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:37 pm

Kishin wrote:Erm.

I didn't really care to justify to anyone why I chose what I did, but seems I should.

I picked my top ten for my own personal reasons, not all of which has to do with criteria chosen by other people.

In some cases I liked the film because it elicited good feelings either due to personal life at the time, or for more obvious reasons.

I didnt post any adult films, nor anime, nor clips. I just stuck to film, and mostly mainstream.

You're free to disagree with my choices. But if you do, I'd think it only courtesy that you post your own.

I would ask that you please refrain from commenting on someone elses choices. Its like criticizing them for having an opinion that differs from yours.

And again this was my personal top ten, so its by no means an exhaustive or complete list of ASFR films, nor should my list be taken as a standard by which all others should be measured. I just used mine as an example to others to post their particular favorites, and if you choose to justify your decisions, thats your prerogative.
I hope you didn't interpret my post that way -- wasn't my intention.

To rephrase what I was trying to say: "Hey Kishin, great list. My personal favorite is I Love Maria. What did you think of that one?"

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Post by jolshefsky » Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:53 am

Kishin wrote:Ah okay. Sorry for misnterpreting. But STILL want to see your top ten best. :)
Ok, let's see how close to 10 I can get:
  1. Westworld / Futureworld: I consider these one film as both have some great scenes. I doubt I'd watch either one straight through. I think I like them so much because the Delos city model is a great launching point for any fantasy.
  2. Cyborg 2: This has a few pretty good scenes of fembot manufacture, maintenance, damage, disassembly, and POV. Rambling and intolerable plot-wise, though. I'm sure I was far-and-away the most prolific renter of the LaserDisc, if not the only renter.
  3. Nemesis: Also in the terrible 1990's sci-fi genre, it has the initial fembot destruction scene and the one later on. These two scenes offer another starting point for fantasy.
  4. Cyborg 3: Although not nearly as desirable as Cyborg 2, I like the access panel scene. I also like the fantasy of body modifications that transformed Cyborg 2's Cash (i.e. Angelina Jolie) into Cyborg 3's Cash (i.e. Khrystyne Haje).
Ok, so that's about it for actual fembot-centric movies. Even with those, I tend to use the movie's universe as a starting point for fantasy. I like to pull the androids from other films into fantasy: Roberta from Not Quite Human II, Lisa from Condor, Call from Alien: Resurrection, Jessica from Screamers, and lately the androids from Cyborg Conquest.

Due to the nature of fantasy being driven by "new", I doubt there will be a perfect fembot movie, at least not for me.
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Post by Svengli » Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:49 pm

I kind of agree with Jolshefsky

My list would be something like:

1. Stepford Wives.
2. (nothing else comes close really so)
....
6. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Intervention(not a Movie but still)
7. Cherry 2000
8. Mary 25 (again but still)
9. Can't think of anything really good otherwise.
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20. Surrogates

The thing is, I don't think I know any movies that have had more than "moments" of nice Gynoid action. None. Even Stepford is mostly about Joana and has kind-of-annoying robots (if you were programming a robot, would program it to go on-and-on about floor polish?).

So Chrome Angel is my mind could be, for all I know, BOTH a lame "C-movie" AND a movie with a relatively good amount of Gynoid content. I would say, in fact, that Surrogates is relatively good for Gynoid (2-3 scenes I like).

I would also say, I personally prefer my fantasy robots to be totally "soulless slaves" doing a good or mediocre job of imitating how a behaves. Not what I'd want in an ongoing real world relationship but everyone has their kinks.

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