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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by SciFiGuy333 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:52 am

cbjoe,

You should've come forward as Ani's husband from the beginning of this. It's understandable that you would be defensive and want to defend your wife, I would do the same thing. Unless you're concern trolling at this point, you aren't doing yourself or your point any favors. Statements claiming members here aren't objective are very hard to take seriously when you couldn't be any less objective unless you were Ani herself.

That being said, the point of lack of feedback, especially here is a valid one. It is brought up occasionally in the production of fembot videos and in the stories and art sections here. The problem is that you can't make people participate if they don't want to or feel like they shouldn't. I used to run a site dedicated to reviewing content for fembot videos, cam girls and phone sex providers and would get bummed about the lack of feedback I would get from people. My visitor counts were decent when I would drop a new review but there was very little engagement. Now was that because my site was shit and people took the approach that not saying anything at all rather than telling me that my work wasn't any good was the polite thing to do? Possibly. Maybe they couldn't be bothered. Some content creators would contact me and ask me to post their new videos because they noticed a small uptick in sales following a review. So there seemed to be some correlation between what I was doing and what it was intended for. I wouldn't always post a review for their stuff though because I only reviewed videos that I enjoyed or if I didn't care for it but thought that there was an audience who would in our community. I wasn't really providing feedback for "bad" videos. So I myself am guilty of not giving feedback but it made me understand why maybe I wasn't receiving any for what I felt was my own hard work and I think that helped me press on, for a time anyway. In a perfect world you, I and everyone who wanted honest feedback would get it but obviously the world isn't perfect.

I supported Ani's work at the beginning, bought videos, left reviews, although I had to go back and leave some after the first round of her asking for reviews. I stopped after the "Where the fuck are my reviews" video though. I see some members were able to see through the absolute rude and obnoxious way that video was presented for what the video was intended to be. I didn't. I was offended. That's on me for not being able to discern what the real message of that video was. But if you really did want more reviews you went about that the wrong way in my opinion. It certainly turned me off regardless of the intention.

I agree with your point that we won't see better content or at least content that we want to see unless we're able to communicate that to providers who don't already "get it". I tried to do this with Ani but I either did a poor job of explaining myself or it was just something that Ani couldn't wrap her mind around as her response was something along the lines of " I don't get it". That's fine too. If it doesn't make sense to the creator or they don't know how to translate those suggestions to video then there isn't much to be done. But your point that we reap what we sow is somewhat correct. It may be something that we never overcome or figure out as a community and we'll have to live with that and what could have been. We still have many providers who do produce content that many of us find enjoyable and sufficient for our needs so it's not a total loss.

Other than you being deceitful (you bought a $350 custom video from your wife?) you do have some valid points and while your presentation has done you no favors if you really wanted to address this issue seriously and not just take shots at the community and try to turn current content creators against us and hopefully we learn something from this absolute trainwreck of a situation.

I found Ani to be a very nice person to interact with personally until this started going downhill and am sad that it turned into what it has because honestly, I think she showed great promise as a content provider. I just withdrew from the situation until this post and in fact had a period of a few weeks where I actually quit this website to get away from the negativity but realized that solved nothing as I still wanted to be a part of this community.

Anyway, congratulations on what I what I assume was your recent-ish honeymoon (I followed Ani on Twitter until I quit Twitter for the same reasons I stated above but I haven't rejoined there because that platform is extremely toxic and I feel much better having not been on it in a month) and I wish you guys the best of luck. I wish it could have worked it out here but it is obvious that that bridge was not only burned but vaporized.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by Ani Erotika » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:23 am

My full response to Lithorien (up until his most recent message):

"Ani enjoys her zoophile videos; everything else seems ancillary to that. I know that particular revelation made me rather uncomfortable and drove me away from her in general (to the point where I've closed my account and deleted everything I had purchased from her)"

At best, your perception or recollection is distorted. At worst, you're being dishonest. Either way, you've seriously misrepresented the messages we've exchanged, in a way that tries to cast me in a negative light while you try to claim some sort of moral high ground. You seem happy to delve into our private messages, but you did it very selectively, so let's review the facts, here and now, to reveal the truth about what really happened.

What I sent you was exactly what you said you wanted. You said you like furry toy porn. Lithorien, you also said you fantasise about mom porn so please do not try to present yourself as some pure spirit whom I was trying to corrupt.

Here's an extract of what you wrote to me on 29th November as part of an exchange of several very long messages between us: "you have what seems to be some foot fetish stuff (my biggest kink - and my actual fetish, I almost can't get off without feet involved somehow) ... some 'mom' stuff, and I think I saw a thumbnail of you and a teddy bear (I am a furry who finds teddy bears exciting - no, I don't know why and yes I know it's messed up). So I will be looking into that stuff. ... I would like to say thank you. You're asking all these questions and seem to actually be listening to my answers. That's a wonderful feeling and I really appreciate it."

So, that same day I forwarded you an email I'd previously sent to someone else, with a message that simply said " Vid number 4 is the one I wanted to show you, watch the preview and see if you like it." Vid 4 was me with a stuffed toy, exactly what you asked for. This was WHY you sent me your email address and the ONLY time I ever emailed you. Your response? Silence. You made it sound above like your silence was because you were offended by some of the things in the email I forwarded. The original email was not even to you, but had one vid in it that you said interested you.

"I know that particular revelation made me rather uncomfortable and drove me away from her in general (to the point where I've closed my account and deleted everything I had purchased from her)"

"I stated that everything seems ancillery [sic] to her zoophilia videos because after I had engaged with her on ManyVids (including in private messages), I revealed that I was a furry. She then took that and mentioned zoophilia, and asked me for my email address, whereupon she sent me an email with links to a Google Drive account containing explicit beastiality videos and an offer to sell them off-site because they were not allowed on MV."

But that's not true at all, is it. You were still messaging me MONTHS after you read that email, like on 10 February when you messaged me saying you wanted to "support you as my favorite creator and all-around good person". You also told me that the reason why you were not going to be around was because you had been struggling with your economics degree with "some of the hardest classes in my major ... I do apologize, I don't mean to make you think I'm ignoring you or anything... I wish you had a Patreon or something where we could have some kind of monthly subscription thing" Two-faced much?

So the only question is, were you lying then, or now? The two different stories you've told cannot both be the truth. Usually what people say in private is closest to the truth, so I deduce that your private messages to me about you struggling at college and struggling with money contained the truth about why you were no longer on MV. Do you lie to and about other content creators, too?

What you said here in public, you who secretly likes mom porn, that you were so repulsed by my petplay content that you wanted nothing more to do with me, is BS. You kept on sending me long messages, didn't you.

"so while it's not good to see a creator go away from the community, I can't bring myself to feel more than a moment of mild disappointment that she gave up so easily on it all" ----- really? but i thought i was yout favourite content creator and all around good person?

----- side note: i was never more partial towards any fetish i make content for until the robo community made me feel as if i was just not good enough. at that point, yes, i did not feel as chummy/sunny about making fembot content, sorry. how the heck could i? the fans of the other genres i make stuff for just never made me feel like that.

"Hey, this content creator you like has actual sex with animals." ---- Bs. And the fact that you came out saying I did in public is so lowlife level shit I am appalled you think yourself a real man at all. Uncouth, tactless, and untrue.... you disgust me.

It is funny after all this you had the gall to try to blast me here as someone who "has actual sex with animals" (Lithorien, 17 April). Sir, I have NEVER done that. Ever. And more importantly, you know that. We discussed it. You're trying to smear me in an effort to justify your untenable position. Shame on you.

"Her private messages to Kishin and - for a time - refusal to come forward with her own complaints. When Kishin and Robotman came out with, 'someone has made a complaint,' it put them in the crossfire and sowed a lot of dissent in this forum's community because people felt as if they were being attacked out of the blue, and Robotman took the brunt of it, fairly or not. That the forum would become incredibly riled up from an anonymous complaint from a 'content creator' is entirely forseeable, and the choice to go forward with that was deliberate."

Lithorien, I never asked Kishin, Robotman or anyone else to make my criticisms anonymous. Where did you hear that????????????? It's absolutely not true. Either you made this up, or you were misinformed. Which is it? Does neither Kishin or Robotman have anything to say to set this record straight? Why are they content to let this untruth stand uncorrected? Perhaps for whatever reason they gave people this impression and now feel unable to back out? They're reading this, so why so silent on the matter?

I NEVER asked for anonymity. When I sent people private messages, it was always ENTIRELY at their discretion whether or not to share it here. After private discussions and the activity here that followed woke me up to the depth of the problem, I then posted here to say my piece. How can you complain about me saying these things privately/anonymously, and then complain about me coming here and airing my concerns? You cannot have it both ways. I notice that you keep doing this, condemning me whatever I do, even when it contradicts what you've said previously. Try to be consistent. The contradictory attacks reveal that the purpose here is to attack me arbitrarily as part of a defence against legitimate criticism.

Actually, I never said a damn thing to Robotman. I didn't even know that Kishin was a moderator. Kish hit ME up about wanting content with panels and face off stuff. I barely even sent many messages to Kish. 1st time he messaged me was 25th October with a long detailed message about his sfx and cosmetics/prosthetics ideas for open-panels and face-offs with some pictures, and saying "Halloween is a perfect time for getting a panel for a face-off video..." elaborate, difficult, technical, involved production ideas, an investment of my time and finances, and I said I'd love to try doing it. On 21st November he said "thank you for the [free] video." One time when Kish hit me up (12 November) he asked me if I had ordered the mask yet, and... at my own wits end about this issue building up... I offloaded about how I was feeling onto him. Had no clue he was a mod. I was just venting. I sent him two very long videos, one in tears, very sincerely saying basically hey i need to vent if u wanna listen. I vented my frustration about reviews etc and the very inconsistent support from the community. One thing I complained about was directed at HIM (without me realising it was him) because he said he loved the vids in some reviews yet gave low star ratings for them.

I told Kish I have no problem at all with him naming me as the content creator who raised the issue. In regard to Robotman, he often messaged me about wanting to commission my voice for various animated robo projects (which he was actually VERY eager to get me on board with to the point he pursued me quite a bit) that ended up caving and not happening in the end. I never even intended to say a word to him, nor did I ever ask. To see him stand up for the whole feedback issue at first only to be impacted by the responses so much he eventually lost his backbone, it was a shame. Then for him to come back after the fact and state this on the 7th of April in my final message thread was pathetic:

"I need to post some clarifications again, because it seems that some people are assuming false things. 1) I was not siding with Ani ... 2) I had no working relationship with Ani. I never bought any of her videos as the content never appealed to me. 3) My intention was to use her original complaint to encourage people to leave more feedback ... 4) ... I've always wanted to encourage a sense of community and positivity here, but I've failed. I'm not going to bother with that any more."

Like, really? All the sudden he has 'no working relationship' with me, when he damn sure attempted and pursued me for it. And super funny even more so that he never bought anything from me because my 'content did not appeal' to him, yet it must have been good enough for him to want me in his commissioned projects. Why the hell did you have to flip a trip like that Robotman? You know I did not deserve that cheap shot.

With both Kish and Robotman as with some others I was taking ideas from people who had not even watched my vids, but I sent them treats and entertained their constant messages because I valued their insights and thorough feedback.

On seeing the reaction on this forum to my first attempt to raise the issue, Kish privately messaged me saying don't waste time on fembot content because this community does not deserve it!!!! I agree, I understand why he said that. But here in an open forum, people don't like to be honest, maybe their need for acceptance outweighs their instinct to defend an underdog.

Kish told me privately that my concerns were exactly the same reason why many other content creators such ass Ashley Fires all "dropped this genre like an anvil made of hot molten lava." He said "every few years someone who has been diligently making content has a meltdown and complains about the lack of feedback... I usually tell them not to expect any because that's just the way this group is." Others have privately expressed the same conclusions to me. But out here in public, nobody wants to acknowledge the truth, do they. Good luck with that, getting what you want without facing up to the huge white elephant in the corner, in denial about the real issues that we all know DO blight the genre. Now even Kish has backed down and lost all spinal substance regarding all this, and wont respond to me. I have my guesses why.

All I did is tell you the truth, and air unspoken problems you all know about already. But because you PREFER them to be buried, for speaking the truth I have been attacked.

Case closed.
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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by Ani Erotika » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:41 am

Lithorien wrote:Here's the thing. You, Ani/cbjoe, can come here and talk about feedback and how "this community" treats creators all you want. You can even be an utter ass and try to convince other content creators not to stay here when they're perfectly happy and well supported by the community. But you need to remember, Ani, your comments to people who do leave feedback (and you did consider simple likes and dislikes feedback, after all) show a pattern. Namely: The problem isn't with the communities you are in - it's with you.
AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... b17ef1cb58

wtf is the deal with people and the thumbs downs on this platform? this is a free video of me fucking a horse cock dildo and a dog cock dildo and half of you gave it a thumbs down?! what ungreatful cunts.
Way to take that feedback on board here. It's awesome seeing a content creator who craves feedback calling people leaving feedback "ungr[ate]ful cunts." You don't get defensive, do you, Ani?


My reply: Lithorien, lol, really, now you stalk me on other platforms? Thanks for sharing the link though cool!

The example you gave has over 3k views, and over 60% thumbs up!!!!!!

Plus, this is generic PornHub, not a fetish community, I have never asked for any feedback on that site, ever. And my statement about being ungrateful is in regard to this being a free video. If they don't like it, find something else. Rather than thumbs down a freebie.

No comparison to this conversation. You missed the point, totally. Nice try, though,

BTW some of my recent vids on PornHub have over 80k views. I thrive on there. No feedback needed on that platform, so utterly irrelevant to this thread.


AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... 34b9bba428

i just wrote a long message for this stream and it magically got deleted when i posted it. wtf.just wanted to say the amazing amounts of thumbs down i have gotten here for posting fun free sexy videos is a real insult and slap in the face. makes me not want anythig to do with it here and DEF makes me not want to share one more damn thing free. it has made me feel most unwelcome, unappreciated, and quite frankly... insulted. lol... i get the hint. i dont stay where im unwant
You beg for feedback. But it seems like all you want is positive feedback - you talk yourself up so much, but when people show a dislike for what you're creating, you immediately go on the defensive and find countless ways to reject valid criticisms and honest feedback. Or is the PornHub community as "toxic" as you claim this one is?


My reply: Again, 50% thumbs up on that vid, and it is a free vid, and feedback does not affect ranking on that platform, unlike MV, so not at all relevant. But yes the thumbs down are being ungrateful, this was free, artistic content. Again, thanks for sharing my link. And nice try.

AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... a3c0d37263

There are so many ‘men’ out there who are no more then rude, angry, uncouth, insatiable little boys. It’s truly depressing. If you don’t like the video then ok move on to the next you spent not one penny on this so no loss to you just soft on ahead and watch something else. Don’t bring your crass petty insults into my world. You do not get to treat me like shit, you hear me? You don’t even exist. You are hot air and dust.

All comments have been removed, sorry about removing the ones who commented something nice. the hateful shit flung at me for sharing this video for free has been astronomical, and no doubt by men with no real worthy qualities a man should have. The caliber of a ‘man’ who calls a woman a pos because she shared something for free is disgraceful. For shame. Didn’t you learn how to respect others even as a c***d? Furthermore did you miss the lesson on how to speak to a woman?

Now, anyone who wants to be mean to me can piss off wnd go fuck themselves, which I am sure is what they’re doing because no woman would fuck such a lame mother fucker. Be gone, be well, and be far away from me and my reality. Peace.
Getting really upset and defensive about your zoophile videos there, Ani. Are you sure you want to question how I, and others, know which crowd you prioritize over any other? And, wow, it seems like that honest feedback where people were expressing how they felt about your video... wasn't actually what you wanted after all. You even went so far as to delete it! This is really poking a lot of holes in your case, Ani/cbjoe, where you're trying to paint this community as so horrible and toxic about feedback ... it seems like you just have an issue when the feedback isn't unadultered praise for you.

My reply: People were being rude in the comments, accusing it of being a clickbait video. So my response is justified. Yes I will always call out rude entitled dudes on porn sites.

Again, this was FREE content, it has over 80k views so far, and again this is NOT a fetish community, and again I did not ask for feedback, and again on this platform feedback does not matter.

So, totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... ca0abea21a

Fuck anyone who gave this a thumbs down. I will remember that... cunts
Great response to viewer feedback. Excellent.

Another free video. Clearly stated in description it was comedy. In no way relevant here. Feedback not needed or sought on that platform.


To everyone from the community, don't feel bad about yourselves, or anyone else here. This is a solid community that, for the most part, is functional and works well together. I'm proud and happy to have gotten to know y'all, and it's good to see your words every day I come by - even if I don't engage with y'all much. To creators who take the time and effort to create: Thank you. Thank you for your work, your time, and your understanding of how this community functions, and how the people in it are willing to engage and show appreciation.

My reply: In all the examples you scrape together from your stalking session, nobody is even criticising the actual content! Only that it is not explicit enough, etc.

When guys are extremely rude and offensive to girls in this industry, me or anyone else, I will call that out. Do you support guys being rude to girls in porn?

These were totally free videos and this has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. You know that, you're being disengenous trying to make your point, but you failed.
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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by cbjoe » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:56 am

Hi kingjeremy, I broadly agree with your reply. You made some valid points. Appreciated.

To anyone and everyone saying they were so offended/upset by the infamous "Where the f are my reviews" video I say this:

Where's your sense of humor? Guys! Lighten up, jeez! :D

It was a fun, original way to make a valid point that we know as a matter of record that many agree with -- even though in many cases conspicuous by their absence they sadly don't want to say so here.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by SciFiGuy333 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:15 pm

cbjoe wrote:Hi kingjeremy, I broadly agree with your reply. You made some valid points. Appreciated.

To anyone and everyone saying they were so offended/upset by the infamous "Where the f are my reviews" video I say this:

Where's your sense of humor? Guys! Lighten up, jeez! :D

It was a fun, original way to make a valid point that we know as a matter of record that many agree with -- even though in many cases conspicuous by their absence they sadly don't want to say so here.
Honest feedback and my own personal opinion. That video would have fun and cheeky had it been about 10% of it's actual running time. By the time it was over I felt browbeaten and pissed off and I was actually leaving feedback at that point so I wasn't even the intended audience. You can't be upset at people if they aren't able to pick up on your message when you aren't being direct. I feel like I'm pretty adept at picking things up but after the first minute or so I just felt attacked. I will say that performance wise, Ani was great but to me delivering that message seemed heavy handed. I feel a bit dumb for not recognizing what it was but that's not entirely on me.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by cbjoe » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:38 pm

To kingjeremy who wrote "I will say that performance wise, Ani was great" yes, sorry, it wasn't directed at you at all, sorry if it made you feel bad. Not meaning to tar everyone with the same brush. You're a good guy, intelligent and respectful. It's ok to disagree, but even so I think we have more common ground than differences of opinion. For what it's worth, as much as you felt browbeaten after the fact, Ani E felt pretty browbeaten, that's why we made the vid. To us it was hilarous, I actually had tears rolling. We had to restart filming several times because we couldn't stop outburts of laughter and it was impossible to keep a straight face. We are nuts though so, sure, not everyone is gonna get it!

To anyone asking why I am still here: I've been here from the start and I was posting in alt.sex.fetish.robots back in the 90s on usenet on a 28kbps modem before websites had proper photos on them.

Ani did not get into fembot for the $. She is a performer. She is at heart a true robot. She had ambitions to make high-budget productions with panels and face offs, green screen chromakey and all. Folks here probably don't realise that she is a fairly successful creator on multiple platforms.

Last month Ani E took herself and her rather lucky significant other away to Aitutaki for two weeks. It was paradise. Some amazing new videos were made there, selling like hot cakes. It was actually heartbreaking that it wasn't the right time to make robot vids there. Studio Ani E made some amazing non-porn drone and gopro tour vids from footage recorded there and private charters to deserted islands, and recordings of indigenous music and dance, happy to share links with anyone interested.

If u guys knew Ani E IRL you'd like her. She's cool. Sensitive. Genuine. Hard-working. Sincerely wants to make great content. People here used to say very good things about her content, all those posts are still there to read, but now some pretend they never liked it while others just stay silent. All of us know the truth.
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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by Lithorien » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:48 pm

Ani Erotika wrote:What I sent you was exactly what you said you wanted. You said you like furry toy porn. Lithorien, you also said you fantasise about mom porn so please do not try to present yourself as some pure spirit whom I was trying to corrupt.

Here's an extract of what you wrote to me on 29th November as part of an exchange of several very long messages between us: "you have what seems to be some foot fetish stuff (my biggest kink - and my actual fetish, I almost can't get off without feet involved somehow) ... some 'mom' stuff, and I think I saw a thumbnail of you and a teddy bear (I am a furry who finds teddy bears exciting - no, I don't know why and yes I know it's messed up). So I will be looking into that stuff. ... I would like to say thank you. You're asking all these questions and seem to actually be listening to my answers. That's a wonderful feeling and I really appreciate it."
Yup! I sure did say that. Want me to list off the rest of my fetishes/kinks, too? I'm not scared of admitting what does, and does not, turn me on. This is a fetish forum for goodness' sake, let's go:

Furry - Which, Ani, isn't just "furry toys" but is an entire subculture; check out furaffinity.net some time if you want to see a portion just how large that community is.
Plushie
Feet (as stated, this is a limiting turn-on, without it involved, I typically don't enjoy myself)
BDSM - specifically fem dom, male sub, and being bound
Robots
Simulated mom/son incest
"Sexual healing" stories (not sure if there's an actual term for it)
Monster girls (harpies/lamia/etc. - could be a subcategory of furry)
Hypnosis (being put under, not hypnotising)
Oversized breasts
Stockings and socks
Food play

The rest of my NSFW folder is pretty much the standard fare: "Hot woman wearing little to no clothing." So now that that's out, let's address some more stuff here.
AniErotika wrote:But that's not true at all, is it. You were still messaging me MONTHS after you read that email, like on 10 February when you messaged me saying you wanted to "support you as my favorite creator and all-around good person". You also told me that the reason why you were not going to be around was because you had been struggling with your economics degree with "some of the hardest classes in my major ... I do apologize, I don't mean to make you think I'm ignoring you or anything... I wish you had a Patreon or something where we could have some kind of monthly subscription thing" Two-faced much?

So the only question is, were you lying then, or now? The two different stories you've told cannot both be the truth. Usually what people say in private is closest to the truth, so I deduce that your private messages to me about you struggling at college and struggling with money contained the truth about why you were no longer on MV. Do you lie to and about other content creators, too?

What you said here in public, you who secretly likes mom porn, that you were so repulsed by my petplay content that you wanted nothing more to do with me, is BS. You kept on sending me long messages, didn't you.
Ani, have you ever heard of ambivalence? Here, let me help you: "The state of having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas about something or someone." Now, let's look back into what I said in this thread: "This engagement stopped because I made a personal decision that I was uncomfortable with a content creator who engaged in actual beastiality, and so I ceased interaction - I wasn't about to make up reviews on things I have not seen, or push for the success of a content creator that I no longer believed in." Ani, I continued messaging you because for a few months, I was trying to fight that impulse to just walk away because I liked - very much - things you were doing. I've even said in this thread that I liked your robot work. And during the time period that I still wanted to support you more than I wanted to walk away from you, strangely enough, I thought you were one of the best in the genre - silly me.

Was I lying about college, or money? Hell no, that's still kicking my ass and I'm still perpetually broke. But you know what, I'll admit it, you're right - I did not tell you the entire truth there. I did not mention, "Hey, your zoo stuff really freaked me the fuck out and I can't watch your videos anymore because what I saw makes me feel queasy." So congratulations, you made a point, and I'll apologize to you for not telling you everything going on in my head at the time.

Of course, I'm sure you've never learned something about someone that sat in the back of your head until you couldn't ignore it anymore, right?
AniErotika wrote:It is funny after all this you had the gall to try to blast me here as someone who "has actual sex with animals" (Lithorien, 17 April). Sir, I have NEVER done that. Ever. And more importantly, you know that. We discussed it. You're trying to smear me in an effort to justify your untenable position. Shame on you.
Ani... I know what I saw in that email, and those links. If it was a stuffed animal, I might have even enjoyed it. I wished to hell that it was just a stuffed animal because, for the umpteenth time, I liked your content. It absolutely sucked to have to acknowledge what I actually saw. Why the blue hell do you think I didn't say shit about it until this thread?
AniErotika wrote:"Her private messages to Kishin and - for a time - refusal to come forward with her own complaints. When Kishin and Robotman came out with, 'someone has made a complaint,' it put them in the crossfire and sowed a lot of dissent in this forum's community because people felt as if they were being attacked out of the blue, and Robotman took the brunt of it, fairly or not. That the forum would become incredibly riled up from an anonymous complaint from a 'content creator' is entirely forseeable, and the choice to go forward with that was deliberate."

Lithorien, I never asked Kishin, Robotman or anyone else to make my criticisms anonymous. Where did you hear that????????????? It's absolutely not true. Either you made this up, or you were misinformed. Which is it? Does neither Kishin or Robotman have anything to say to set this record straight? Why are they content to let this untruth stand uncorrected? Perhaps for whatever reason they gave people this impression and now feel unable to back out? They're reading this, so why so silent on the matter?

I NEVER asked for anonymity. When I sent people private messages, it was always ENTIRELY at their discretion whether or not to share it here. After private discussions and the activity here that followed woke me up to the depth of the problem, I then posted here to say my piece. How can you complain about me saying these things privately/anonymously, and then complain about me coming here and airing my concerns? You cannot have it both ways. I notice that you keep doing this, condemning me whatever I do, even when it contradicts what you've said previously. Try to be consistent. The contradictory attacks reveal that the purpose here is to attack me arbitrarily as part of a defence against legitimate criticism.

Actually, I never said a damn thing to Robotman. I didn't even know that Kishin was a moderator. Kish hit ME up about wanting content with panels and face off stuff. I barely even sent many messages to Kish. 1st time he messaged me was 25th October with a long detailed message about his sfx and cosmetics/prosthetics ideas for open-panels and face-offs with some pictures, and saying "Halloween is a perfect time for getting a panel for a face-off video..." elaborate, difficult, technical, involved production ideas, an investment of my time and finances, and I said I'd love to try doing it. On 21st November he said "thank you for the [free] video." One time when Kish hit me up (12 November) he asked me if I had ordered the mask yet, and... at my own wits end about this issue building up... I offloaded about how I was feeling onto him. Had no clue he was a mod. I was just venting. I sent him two very long videos, one in tears, very sincerely saying basically hey i need to vent if u wanna listen. I vented my frustration about reviews etc and the very inconsistent support from the community. One thing I complained about was directed at HIM (without me realising it was him) because he said he loved the vids in some reviews yet gave low star ratings for them.
I have an extremely hard time believing this, Ani. I like to think that Robotman and Kishin are essentially honest folks, and that they would have come forward to state, "Hey, this is what actually happened here," one way or the other. That both have explicitly neglected to respond to your claims multiple times, well, what am I supposed to conclude?

For the sake of this, though, let's assume that you're being perfectly honest. It's not outside the realm of possibility that they, for whatever reasons, kept you anonymous and you didn't want that to happen. When you saw it was upsetting the community, and that Robotman and Kishin were taking heat for it, why didn't you speak up? Yes, eventually you posted the video about reviews - and as I said earlier in this thread, that was a good thing. (Which, by the way, is the opposite of me being upset about you airing your concerns. As I said, that was a good thing for you to do.) But what I want to know is why you didn't step in, like you want them to do here, and say, "I said this. It's a concern I have; let's talk." No community schism, and a chance to have constructive dialogue. Because you didn't, what do you think I should understand about the situation - that you were just a disapassionate observer content to see people you confided in speared by their community, or that you intentionally and knowningly stayed out because what you wanted to have happen, happened?



You want brutal honesty, Ani? I wish you had never sent me that email. I wish I hadn't had three months of, "She makes good robot content, but I can't enjoy it. Maybe if I keep buying it, watching it, reviewing it, and talking to her, I can get over this." God do I wish that, because I will still stand by and say that "I do not Wish to Die" was one of the best non-fetishy robot videos I've ever seen produced. So if you think I'm just "attacking" you for no reason, or even really "attacking" you at all, you're wrong. Ok - not completely wrong, to be fair my pornhub review responses post was pretty much a, "I'm sick of her (and cbjoe, whom I thought was you until kingjeremy mentioned he was your husband) saying this community is toxic when she's had bad responses to her work elsewhere." Which was made more out of anger than anything else. The rest of this? I'm just disappointed, like I said to start with.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by SciFiGuy333 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:14 pm

Robotman wrote:As a policy, we err on the side of anonymity. The original complaint to Kishin did not come with any request to keep it anonymous, that's just how we handled it. My intention was always to make it about all content creators and not just Ani. I thoroughly regret the entire episode now, and see what a mistake it was to get involved.
Absolutely the best policy in my opinion and I think everyone knows you guys have the best intentions of everyone in mind here. It's unfortunate this has snowballed but I'm glad you are letting the thread continue. I feel like we are getting down to some important points in between the personal attacks and accusations. People's perceptions of what has been said or conveyed are important and hopefully we're better as a community after airing our grievances and hearing other people's stance. I'm over the vitriol at this point and I know you regret getting involved but as always you've shown yourself to be level headed and respectful when called out. That's a win in my book.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by Ani Erotika » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:41 pm

Lithorien wrote:Ani, have you ever heard of ambivalence? Here, let me help you: "The state of having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas..." Ani, I continued messaging you because for a few months, I was trying to fight that impulse to just walk away ... I thought you were one of the best in the genre - silly me.
Deep sad sigh.

Wait... Stop press...

Why haven't you tried any of my mom/son content if u like that????????????????? :( It's hot!!!!! Seriously. Very. Might be your loss as much as mine?? Amputating one's nose to spite one's face.
Lithorien wrote: ... I'll admit it, you're right - I did not tell you the entire truth there. ... and I'll apologize to you for not telling you everything going on in my head...
I respect you for that honesty. You gotta surely realise how hard it is to have a positive outcome with someone who is, sorry if there is a nicer way of putting this, being two-faced?
Lithorien wrote:Ani... I know what I saw in that email, and those links. If it was a stuffed animal, I might have even enjoyed it. I wished to hell that it was just a stuffed animal because, for the umpteenth time, I liked your content.
It was a stuffed animal.

Lithorien, HERE is the exact stuffed animal video I was offering to send you for free when I wrote in the 1 email I sent u "Vid 4 is the one I want you to see"

So, it is actually a stuffed animal. It was unpublished on MV for being too naughty. It was my fastest-selling video on there in the few hours it was up lol so u r not alone in the furry thing. I copied and pasted that out of the email I sent you. Ok?
Lithorien wrote:I have an extremely hard time believing this, Ani. I like to think that Robotman and Kishin are essentially honest folks, and that they would have come forward to state, "Hey, this is what actually happened here," one way or the other. That both have explicitly neglected to respond to your claims multiple times, well, what am I supposed to conclude?
I know, right? I have told you the truth, sincerely, and I can prove it. I still have all the messages. There is no scope for confusion or misunderstanding about this. I simply did not request anonymity; on the contrary, I said it's ok to name me. In retrospect, I suspect they were right not to name me, because it got unpleasant when they did. They meant well.

Good question. Why are those guys still watching all this and not correcting things they know are wrong? They are not the only ones here who left me hung out to dry, either. So many people enjoyed my robo content, supported me, etc. Even here. Yet nobody save cbjoe has stood up for me. Nobody. Noone has even said "hey, i thought her stuff was ok" or "well I actually enjoyed her stuff" or "well i thought she had great potential" - etc, etc.

I did not ask anyone to mention it on the forum, others suggested that and did it, and I was grateful for that but it was not my idea. Some seem happy to watch me burn for it though to save themselves.
Lithorien wrote:When you saw it was upsetting the community, and that Robotman and Kishin were taking heat for it, why didn't you speak up?
I did.

Actually, they both suggested I make a response. And Kishin said "Robotman suggests you make a post about your feelings". My "where the f are my reviews" vid was exactly that. I was taking their advice and I know they have the pulse of this forum. I voiced my heartfelt feelings as plain as day and in a way i hoped would resonate and fit your genre! It was a joke but also i was angry and it had a serious message. Took ages to make because i kept ruining it by cracking and laughing. And it was therapy, it felt good. I needed to say that to you guys, a lot of you anyway.

And then I followed up by posting on here too.

I figured the best way to go about expressing myself was the vid because if i had written it down it would have risked read like a rant, without the prep and robot stuff and lighthearted twist
Lithorien wrote:When you saw it was upsetting the community, and that Robotman and Kishin were taking heat for it, why didn't you speak up?
I did, as soon as I saw. And crucially I did not even realise until lately that there was that whole other thread where it was imploding like that.
Lithorien wrote:You want brutal honesty, Ani? I wish you had never sent me that email. I wish I hadn't had three months of, "She makes good robot content, but I can't enjoy it. ..." God do I wish that, because I will still stand by and say that "I do not Wish to Die" was one of the best non-fetishy robot videos I've ever seen produced. So if you think I'm just "attacking" you for no reason, or even really "attacking" you at all, you're wrong. Ok - not completely wrong, to be fair my pornhub review responses post was pretty much a, "I'm sick of her (and cbjoe, whom I thought was you until ... Which was made more out of anger than anything else. The rest of this? I'm just disappointed, like I said to start with.
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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by Lithorien » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:58 pm

Ani Erotika wrote:Deep sad sigh.

Wait... Stop press...

Why haven't you tried any of my mom/son content if u like that????????????????? :( It's hot!!!!! Seriously. Very. Might be your loss as much as mine?? Amputating one's nose to spite one's face.
I had intended to explore that category once I reviewed your robot videos, when I was still exploring your work.
Ani Erotika wrote:It was a stuffed animal.

Lithorien, HERE is the exact stuffed animal video I was offering to send you for free when I wrote in the 1 email I sent u "Vid 4 is the one I want you to see"

So, it is actually a stuffed animal. It was unpublished on MV for being too naughty. It was my fastest-selling video on there in the few hours it was up lol so u r not alone in the furry thing. I copied and pasted that out of the email I sent you. Ok?
I seem to recall more than one link in the email (there were 4 IIRC), but I'll take your word on this. If that's actually the case, then what I saw wasn't what happened, and I need to deeply apologize for this thread. I swear up and down I saw some large-ish yellow dog in one of the links, but if what I saw was a stuffed animal, then I owe you a large apology and a lot of retraction. Since I couldn't restore my copy of the email with Recuva (I had long since deleted it from the mail server proper) and only have the SMTP logs and headers, I can't confirm my own memories here.
Ani Erotika wrote:Thanks for the nice things you said, then and now. I miss our messages.
Yeah. Me too.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by RoxxyRobofox » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:24 pm

Why hasn't this thread been closed yet? There's nothing constructive going on here. It's just people arguing back and forth at this point with no sign of closure for any of the involved parties. Just end it.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by RoxxyRobofox » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:33 pm

Yeah fine. I'll add to this mess.

So I can't say that I know all the facts behind what's going on here. I'll only speak about things that I'm relatively sure I know all the facts about and I'll quality many of the statements I make by saying that I have been an administrator for several large, successful online groups over the years from administrating channels with 100 active people on F-LIst to working for Fembot Labs.

First of all, whenever someone accuses an administrator of censoring their opinions it's basically like a criminal complaining about getting arrested. Of course they're going to complain about it. Not every opinion is objectively good or constructive just because it's someone's opinion. You don't have to let people say stupid shit. It's very clearly NOT doing anything positive here.

Second of all, I haven't seen any of Ani's works. I'm not going to talk about quality or weirdness or anything. I'm going to address the fact that you allowed someone to post a long and nasty rant attacking the forums in an extremely negative way and you did nothing to correct this. Regardless of what her beef is, it's not okay to address it like this. You wouldn't let any other forum member post a long diatribe attacking everyone like this so why does she get a pass?

It is a clearly inflammatory post meant to spark a response. And it got a response. We now have people attacking one another really rudely. There's no constructive feedback or anything actionable being discussed. It's a pit of toxic trash and it's getting deeper and deeper. "Do nothing" is not the correct response to a giant pile of trash being heaped in your backyard.

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Post by Toastdroid » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:47 pm

I agree with Rexx; there's probably a place for constructive discussion on how to support budding content creators, but it ain't here; it's obvious there's too much bad blood around this one creator to keep things in good faith.

I'm relieved the whole thing lith posted probably isn't true, but there's way too much baggage to keep this going here without being constantly derailed by slapfights.

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Post by Stephaniebot » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:35 am

There does need to be some form of constructive discussion for content creators going down from here. Those buying stuff need to be 'braver' in providing it. If you dont want to post it on an open forum, then fine, but PM people instead. No one, but you, and the content provider would ever need to know what you said, or as to who was buying said content.

Then again, others asked for this, long before Ani even appeared on the scene, seemingly never got anything, and no longer post here, or I presume make fembot content on a regular basis?

No one has to post under their real name. Stephanie isn't even my first name, though most assume it is!

I would say we would need a new thread for said discussion, as I cant see much positive coming out of here, in truth. Having said that, this thread has at least let some people get to know the frustrations of others, on both sides. It might be informative, but only if both sides stop, and think about what they're posting, which I'm not sure many are at present.

But lets be honest, if someone new, considering providing material for here, adult, or otherwise, and saw this, dont you think they might think, why bother, and just pass on by?

Ani isnt perfect, neither are those posting against her. None of us are, unless we are actually dolls, or robots, but anyway...? 8) So lets all chill for whats left of Easter, or whatever you may (or may not) celebrate at this time of year, and then focus on maybe some productive discussion privately, or on forum instead of this. Please?
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Post by dingdongdug » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:44 am

Please stop this sterile debate

-if you like the work of menber encourage him
-if you want to criticize done it in a constructive way and in a way to help the author but with respect
-if you don't like a work , it's your opinion . if hi don't like a type work of somebody I just paste to another
but criticize to criticize is useless
Everybody can create content so if somebody think he is the best he can prove it by the work

Lots of people in the forum like the content so don't discourage creators by showing a forum that looks like a battlefield

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Post by RoxxyRobofox » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:22 am

Ani it is absolutely NOT OKAY to breach customer confidentiality by sharing purchase records, regardless of what point you're trying to prove.

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Re: My final message to yall...

Post by Lithorien » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:24 am

Robotman wrote:My hand has been forced, so I'll explain what I was hoping for, and what has just happened.

Ani Erotika and cbjoe (whoever is behind that account) were given a very generous opportunity to leave this community without being banned. For a couple of days, it looked like they were taking that opportunity, and things were winding down.

But as you can see above, Ani made another post that not only continued the attacks, but breached private ManyVids.com sales data.

Ani Erotika and cbjoe have been permanently banned from Fembot Central.

As for disagreements about the way I left this thread open, and didn't lock it: My intent was to give Ani a chance to leave without getting banned. I think that would have been better for everyone. Also - and this is crucially important - a serious accusation of criminal activity was leveled at Ani. This was retracted. Had I locked the thread, the accusation would have stood.

As for the suggestion of removing this thread: I don't believe that is a good idea. As people and as a community, we learn from our mistakes. Hiding from our embarrassments does nothing but present a false face to the world and lead us into making the same mistakes in the future.
Robotman: First, thank you for leaving the thread open. I do appreciate the thought process behind it, and I am glad that you stepped in to eliminate whatever customer data was breached (I have a feeling I know whose it was). Either way, your intent behind allowing things to wind down on their own was good, so thank you.

Secondly, I want to make this clear: I have not fully retracted the accusation. At most, I stated, "I can not collaborate what I remember with hard data, because I deleted the email, and I can't recover it from my mail server." She brought up a link to one - of four - videos that were linked to me in the email, which is fine - it shows some of what happened. I consider that all as, "I'm not sure, but here's what I remember." Take that as you will, I suppose.

At any rate, I do apologize for the troubles you had because of my actions.

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Post by AmpFetish » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:30 pm

I’m sorry, I think I missed it– did Ani post my purchase history on here??

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Post by AmpFetish » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:55 pm

Robotman wrote:Yes, the full list of all of her videos that you purchased. The post has been removed, and she's been banned.
She threatened to do so in a private message that she sent to me on Many Vids, and she also privately sent me the post. I reported her. That is some crazy stuff. Thank you for responding and removing the post. I have no idea what she was talking about when she said she made a video for me. The only thing that would have satisfied her is if I had purchased all of her videos.

I should have never pitched in to this post, but I guess she proved me right. Thanks again, Robotman.

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Post by Spaz » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:39 pm

Direct quote:

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On Harassment, Hate Speech, Abusive Conduct & Bullying

MV Stars and MV Members are part of a thriving sex-positive community. The MV Team requires that everyone within the community voluntarily agrees to abstain from promoting violence and hate against other MV Stars or MV Members on ManyVids.com. It is our mission to provide a safe, friendly, sexy space for everyone.

ManyVids is opposed to doxing–the involuntary disclosure of personal information–threats of doxing, blackmail and impersonation. We fully expect our community members to exhibit mutual respect and basic civility on our platform.

ManyVids also condemns improper online conduct occurring outside the platform, such as on various social media outlets, industry blogs, magazines or other media. We strongly believe in promoting civility in real life and online.
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Post by zerodin » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:22 pm

I hope she didn't quit her day job, because after this fiasco, I doubt she's gonna be pulling in any money on videos anywhere.

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Hey guys what's going on in...

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I did buy one of her vids a few months ago, but half of it was this strange psychedelic music thing, so I decided not to purchase any others. Reading through this it looks like I made the right choice.

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