How would it feel?

Outsider · Post by **Outsider** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:02 pm

I was wondering...

Suppose a fembot is looking for the right lover.

I am not sure she'd want to come here. I am wondering how she would react to people fetishizing her. I mean, most of us fetishize either her transformation, or what we imagine her personality is like, or what we imagine her body is like, or even malfunctions and destruction. The first few could each feel objectifying. The last one would probably feel scary.

I am not sure how things would work in the rest of the world. Suppose she meets someone. Does she tell him/her? Does she keep her nature secret? Suppose she tells at the beginning, and her new friend ditches her because s/he can't get over his/her preconceptions? Suppose she tells later in their relationship, and her lover attacks her or outs her because s/he hates 'bots, and s/he feels betrayed?

It must be scary trying to find the right people.

1001011001 · Post by **1001011001** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:16 pm

I figure once we get to reprogramming her, she'll come to love our obsession with her.

Stephaniebot · Post by **Stephaniebot** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:30 am

Well its fair to say she'd want to avoid those into malfunctions and destruction, and quite right too.

But you are suggesting she is a transform, I think the create type fembot is far more likely to be what we would see at present (sadly) so I dont think that factor comes into it.
But yes, if she was a transform I'd make her life hell until she told me where to go to be transformed myself!

I would imagine her 'personality' would come out anyway as part of the programming.

But here, in all likelihood she'd find someone more than happy to look after, and love her. So yes, I reckon she would come here anyway.

ehy · Post by **ehy** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:53 am

In my view of what a fembot is, your scenario is somewhere between implausible and impossible.

If I said, "Suppose a car is looking for the right driver." I think you'd agree that's pretty implausible, right? Partly because cars don't have the capacity to have desires about their drivers, but equally because cars don't look for drivers - drivers look for cars. The car doesn't get a choice in the matter, even if it were capable of wanting one - it is not a person; it is a machine. It is made for a purpose, it is sold, leased, rented, or loaned to the person who wants to drive it, and it does what that person wants it to do. If you have a car you no longer want, you decide how to dispose of it - whether to junk it or sell it or give it away, and to whom. Its opinions, even if it were capable of having any, are irrelevant.

Now, a fembot is different from a car in that it may have the mental capacity to have an opinion about its owner. But it is like a car in that it is property, a machine, not entitled to a choice in how it is used or by whom. Nothing stops a fembot's owner from asking its opinion - but nothing obligates him to take it into consideration, either. The fembot, like a car, is a machine, not a person. Like a car, a fembot is made for a purpose, it is sold, leased, rented or loaned to a person who wants to use it, and it does what that person wants it to. It does not go out looking for a lover on its own - unless its owner, for some reason, wants it to do so, in which case the owner would supervise the parameters under which it did.

That's how I see it, anyway. That's the view that I find both realistic (which is not necessarily relevant to this group) and sexy. I realize many people here have a very different view of things.

fection · Post by **fection** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:42 pm

ehy:
To me there's nothing to say that a fembot has to be any of the things you mention. It may well be a while off, but I think eventually the appearance of sentient robots will raise questions about the ethics of ownership and, assuming sentient robots survive the initial struggle, I can't see how things could not end with robots being awarded full rights and freedom (I take that to include humans being completely wiped out by said robots).
I quite like Outsider's idea of a fembot who's unsure of how to broach the subject. Kind of turns the 'how do I tell my girlfriend I like fembots?' thing on its head. Could make an interesting story.
All that said, for me I still don't find the idea of a sentient fembot particularly sexy. Interesting, but not necessarily sexy. It's the pre-programmed, purportedly prefect ones that do it for me.

droidlvr · Post by **droidlvr** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:38 pm

In my view of what a fembot is, your scenario is somewhere between implausible and impossible.

If I said, "Suppose a car is looking for the right driver." I think you'd agree that's pretty implausible, right? Partly because cars don't have the capacity to have desires about their drivers

My way of looking at it as well.

rabiator · Post by **rabiator** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:30 pm

Outsider wrote:I am not sure how things would work in the rest of the world. Suppose she meets someone. Does she tell him/her? Does she keep her nature secret? Suppose she tells at the beginning, and her new friend ditches her because s/he can't get over his/her preconceptions? Suppose she tells later in their relationship, and her lover attacks her or outs her because s/he hates 'bots, and s/he feels betrayed?

It must be scary trying to find the right people.

Only if she is sentient with human feelings. For many here, that seems to make the question implausible.

But I guess it is the same for anyone who is somewhat unusual. You could as well ask a post-op transsexual about her fears in approaching a new boyfriend. So it is really a good question about human anxieties and how to handle them. Just don't try to extend it to non-sentient machines, because it becomes irrelevant with those.

Sthurmovik · Post by **Sthurmovik** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:13 pm

You want the real life answer? If sentient female androids did exist and setting aside any conversions of FBC members to said form (if possible) the type of Gynoid who is most likley to frequent these board will probably be those looking to make some Credits off our interest. As it is now there are a number of folks selling their Fembot related wares, but if said bots were to actually exist you can rest assured that many member wallets would be getting lighter.

A better question would be will this board attract the legit fembots or the ones that will break our puny hewman necks and then empty out bank accounts

Aside from the profit motivated you might see fembots who are just really turned on by what they are and would like to find a human to dom them in various ways. How many fembots would fall into this category? Hard to say, but how many people are turned on my being human? If you think that's almost a truism you should think again. Humans are pretty nasty and a lot of human mating rituals are designed around covering over human imperfections.

Depending on how a sentient AI works they might not be too into their mechanical nature or even the possibility of being controlled. Disassembly or malfunction play could fall on the same level of human amputee fetishism or watersports.

Anyway, I'll just fall back on my original statement. Being able to fulfill someones raging desire puts said person in a position of great power. As much as members would like to dominate fembots, it will in fact be the fembots who will dominate you. Ironic isn't it

KingJeremy · Post by **KingJeremy** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:31 pm

Interesting topic. I think I may be in a smaller minority here who doesn't find an actual gynoid/fembot appealing. I like the idea of a woman playing the part and in the case of movies and television I like that an actress can pull off playing an actual gynoid.

But in real life? I can't say that I would find the idea of having any kind of interaction with a fembot all that appealing. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be astoundingly incredible were it possible but at the end of the day I think it would be much more exciting to go home and roleplay it out with the wife/girlfriend.

Not making any judgments one way or the other, we all like what we like and that's good enough for me. I do find this topic fascinating though. As unlikely as the scenario of the OP is, it's interesting to me as how it would play out.

droidlvr · Post by **droidlvr** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:25 am

Well lets face it: If a beautiful woman walked up and popped open a panel in her belly then said "Lick me" most of us would be in there like Marines storming a beachhead.

OMG it's true!!

droidlvr · Post by **droidlvr** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:02 am

Here's hoping an end to all the over analyzing and deconstruction of fembot fetishists. As far as I'm concerned just as there are dildos and other sexual aids in existence to serve women and gays,should there ever be during my lifetime actual fully functioning fembots for the same purpose I'd say we've come a long way.

PsychoKirby · Post by **PsychoKirby** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:22 am

The way I see it, it would depend on what kind of gynoid it is. If her level of artificial intelligence isn't advanced enough, she likely wouldn't give any thought to the matter at all.

Assuming she's of human-level artificial intelligence, is she programmed with subservience (in which case she would unquestioningly love the idea), or allowed more "independence"? (In which case she may find it flattering but weird, or perhaps just be plain disgusted. Or perhaps she'd love it just as much as the subservient robot. Who knows?)

droidlvr · Post by **droidlvr** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:36 am

aaah.

DollSpace · Post by **DollSpace** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:43 am

Outsider wrote:I was wondering...

Suppose a fembot is looking for the right lover.

I am not sure she'd want to come here. I am wondering how she would react to people fetishizing her. I mean, most of us fetishize either her transformation, or what we imagine her personality is like, or what we imagine her body is like, or even malfunctions and destruction. The first few could each feel objectifying. The last one would probably feel scary.

I am not sure how things would work in the rest of the world. Suppose she meets someone. Does she tell him/her? Does she keep her nature secret? Suppose she tells at the beginning, and her new friend ditches her because s/he can't get over his/her preconceptions? Suppose she tells later in their relationship, and her lover attacks her or outs her because s/he hates 'bots, and s/he feels betrayed?

It must be scary trying to find the right people.

Many of you got to see, in my own topic, what can go spectacularly wrong when someone meets another person online and it doesn't work out, and the other person apparently harbours some resentment over the whole prospect... No offense to anyone here, but I never would've come here to try and find a significant other. It's a highly sex-charged forum (which is one of its main purposes, so no surprise there), and at odds with what I'd be looking for in a mate, anyway. I came here initially to see what other people thought of androids, and to try and see if people here could possibly react in a kind way if they encountered an android in the real world outside of cyberspace. Eventually, I started to become brutally honest about what I was here on the forum, and only recently I found words enough to write my own post/question on the subject. In the process of discovering new things about me, I have met some incredible people here on the board, at least one of whom I have a major crush on, though he knows about me and accepts me, and also knows I'm in a relationship with another girl.

In the real world, it's hard to tell people something like this. You don't meet a partner and then randomly decide to tell them you're a robot. You need to know they love you as a person, first, and that you trust and feel safe around them, second. If either of those are not true, it's going to end in disaster... The minute you tell someone, you're putting your life in their hands. None of the rest of you (as far as I know) could be controlled, forcibly taken offline, your memories altered or even your whole being completely erased. Once someone knows, they can do any of all of those things. Now, I can't randomly open a panel and "prove" anything that way, which was probably a good idea from whoever built me. I probably would've told many more people if I could've done that, and it would have offered no alternative theory that just asking people to take me at their word. It's one thing to be a "quirky girl that thinks she's a robot", and quite another to be "the girl made of silicon, metal and plastic standing in my living room, exposing her recharge panel to me and hooking herself up to my computer".

I told my girlfriend in a roleplay chat online before we were even together. Once we met and started dating, I restarted the conversation and told her very seriously that it was what I believed, what I knew, and she didn't have to believe it but had to accept that I believed it, and that was good enough for her. For the record, she does believe it, and has been a great help to me in a large number of situations that could've been very damaging... But yeah, it took a long time for me to be able to tell someone so seriously instead of to keep passing it off as a complex, involved real-life roleplay. It's dangerous enough trying to find love out there today; having something like this makes it even more complicated, but it brings it into perspective how unbelievably lucky and blessed I am to have found my girlfriend to love and protect me until forever.

Catie

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