Personality or no Personality

DollSpace · Post by **DollSpace** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:34 am

Yeah, but it was just a silly way to illustrate something; maybe someone got a laugh out of it. It's a catchy song and I like it. Personally I prefer androids with personality.

Loverbot · Post by **Loverbot** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:57 pm

propagandaofthedeed wrote:no personality for me. if the fembot has personality it almost takes away from the fact she's artificial

What if it was a personality of your own design?

I might be in both camps. I enjoy starting out with no personality.. then have my " controller" give me emotive responses and then a personality. it is kinda like becoming a " custom model"

Remy · Post by **Remy** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:59 pm

Loverbot wrote:
propagandaofthedeed wrote:no personality for me. if the fembot has personality it almost takes away from the fact she's artificial

What if it was a personality of your own design?

I might be in both camps. I enjoy starting out with no personality.. then have my " controller" give me emotive responses and then a personality. it is kinda like becoming a " custom model"

Actually, that doesn't sound half-bad.

NemoVoid · Post by **NemoVoid** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:38 am

I'm sort of in the in-between category. I'd classify personality as a type of software. So you could have a fembot with whatever personality you'd want to upload, depending on your mood/desires at the time. If you're in the mood for no personality, you just don't upload one.

Remy · Post by **Remy** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:32 am

That's a pretty good way to put it.

Sthurmovik · Post by **Sthurmovik** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:42 pm

A gynoid without a sentient AI would be little more than a sex toy, and while I am sure that many here would love to play with such a toy, the problem is that toys get old and then end up taking up space in the closet. A real person with a personality always has something new to offer and is capable of surprising you. Remember almost by definition anything from your own imagination is nothing new to you.

Yosuke · Post by **Yosuke** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:23 pm

I'm with no personality. I like my bots ice cold

. ... if I wanted personality, I'll refer to my girlfriend

.

But then again, I would like an option to turn personality on and off. The more control the better

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It is always a turn off for me when I read a comic book and a person is doing something to an android and she acts like as if she was human. ... The only saving grace from that point for me is if she malfunctions during it

. I gotta have something that reminds me that the thing in question is an android... not just because the android says she is one and past that point she doesn't exhibit any features in relation to one. ... (Stares angrily at a lot of animes, such as Mahoromatic)

Yosuke · Post by **Yosuke** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:33 pm

Sthurmovik wrote:A gynoid without a sentient AI would be little more than a sex toy, and while I am sure that many here would love to play with such a toy, the problem is that toys get old and then end up taking up space in the closet. A real person with a personality always has something new to offer and is capable of surprising you. Remember almost by definition anything from your own imagination is nothing new to you.

So that's why I suggest that maybe there should be an on and off switch for personality, so it doesn't get old

. It'll make both parties happy.

gynoneko · Post by **gynoneko** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:16 pm

I'd prefer a gynoid with a bubbly personality, a cute klutzy (but not incompetent) one. Granted, I could still give her orders, but she's react to what I tell her, and would easily get flustered. Without a personality, it is really just a toy. With a personality, it brings in the entire point of having an AI in a gynoid. What could be more fun than teasing her? Or making her do something just to embarrass her? It's more fun to play with her personality as well, and being a robot, you could even change her personality if you want, or give her many to choose from.

Yosuke · Post by **Yosuke** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:32 pm

That's a good point. Making her do things that she doesn't want to just because I ordered her to do it does sound enticing.

But hey you are talking to someone who likes love dolls as well

, so the "no personality" sex toy does appeal to me more than you think

.

I'm saving up for my first realdoll just to tell you how much I'm interested in it

.

DukeNukem 2417 · Post by **DukeNukem 2417** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:49 pm

I prefer stories about gynoids with personalities. If they have no personality, then they're probably mass-produced. That, or they're Megan Fox.

Just kidding about the Megan Fox thing.

DollSpace · Post by **DollSpace** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:15 pm

gynoneko wrote:I'd prefer a gynoid with a bubbly personality, a cute klutzy (but not incompetent) one. Granted, I could still give her orders, but she's react to what I tell her, and would easily get flustered. Without a personality, it is really just a toy. With a personality, it brings in the entire point of having an AI in a gynoid. What could be more fun than teasing her? Or making her do something just to embarrass her? It's more fun to play with her personality as well, and being a robot, you could even change her personality if you want, or give her many to choose from.

I think that describes me pretty well...

I agree with this one.

DukeNukem 2417 wrote:I prefer stories about gynoids with personalities. If they have no personality, then they're probably mass-produced. That, or they're Megan Fox.

They definitely need personalities unless it's specifically for making a point within the story to interest me, I think. But I never say never; there could be a great story out there that doesn't fit this description that I'd enjoy immensely.

Grendizer · Post by **Grendizer** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:03 pm

I would prefer things more or less as they stand in my stories (big surprise), but I do like how EHY has laid out the borders of the subject. Being able to control and modify an android's personality would be fun and engaging, I imagine. I would prefer a baseline that I author, with the ability for that baseline personality to grow and change in response to the environment, but with the capability to be modified on a user's whim. That would be cool.

Bart · Post by **Bart** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:12 pm

In my opinion programming or changing the behaviour of a gynoid (let's say with sliders fors happyness, sarcasm, intelligence and the like) is not really a personality. It's a clever program maybe. Tricking you by loading responses based on its memories, its settings, online updates and maybe some random factors. You would get more variety, but the program would still fairly easy to see through I guess.

But on the other hand: if this program would be so powerful and if it would have enough time and opportunity to learn.... Maybe it would become a true personality "by accident"?

I think "personality", "soul", "conscience" and "self-awareness" all mean the same thing. The human brain is nothing more than a super computer. It learns by basic procedures like "I'm a baby and I don't know anything. But If I cry, mommy gives me food. And food is good." or "The stove is hot. It hurts, so I better don't touch it again". All those tiny things add up to the genetic pre-programming we may have.

This is what I find so creepy but interesting. Is an intelligent robot still just running a dumb program? "She" may seem to be alive, but is it?? Or is it no problem to pull the plug and start over again? We also get into the problem of copying a personality or backing it up. Is this ok to do (given it is a personality comparable to ours)?

Oh my - This response gets a religious character (I'm an atheist though), and there are maybe a dozens of posts about this subject already, so I better stop now

But to answer the original question: I don't know

! I like both. For some reason I find visually clearly mechanical gynoids a la 'All is full of love' with a faint of (true?) personality attracting. And I also like the absolutely realistically looking gynoids a la Cherry 2000 with their super dumb preporgrammed "I love you, [USER_NAME_NOT_FOUND]" routines.

Btw, great discrussion and I'm glad it got necromanced!

Robjoe · Post by **Robjoe** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:12 pm

There's a reason this account only has one post on it, and that's because I have a hard time formulating responses to interesting questions like this one. That's not to say I haven't thought much about this, though. In fact, it's quite the opposite: I've poured such a gargantuan amount of effort into rationalizing this fetish and it's components that it's spilled over into all other topics I enjoy pondering, and has evolved into a passionate fascination with the mind and its depths (or perhaps shallows). As such, I have billions of ideas, statements, and phrases on the tip of my tongue right now, which, as you can imagine, has made this post into a very daunting prospect. Combine all that with my rather illustrious manner of speaking and, well... let's just say I apologize for what is likely to end up as a gigantic wall of text.

I would start by answering the base question, but even that is difficult to properly articulate. My fancy has found itself tickled by both ends of the spectrum, though to varying degrees of effectiveness, and for what I can only assume are different reasons. I see three distinct methods for an artificial mind to work, and I'll lay them out one by one, in an attempt to organize this mess.

1. Mindless doll

I like the idea of a "blank, monotone" girl, as others put it, because the simple thought of a mind working that way and perceiving the world is incredibly arousing to me. She receives a command and obediently sets right off to work, unable to so much as consider an alternate course of action. Not to mention monotone speaking, particularly when she is obeying, rocks me like few other things do.

However, my enjoyment eventually subsides when I start applying rational thought to the situation. You can hardly call such a thing a mind when it displays a profound lack of intelligence. If there's nothing there that's really perceiving anything in the situation, my enthusiasm dies down. Now, a mindless doll is a little interesting in its own right, but a big part of my arousal centers around the mind of the girl, and how she feels about the situation. If she's empty-headed, so to speak, then the situation takes on a very hollow feeling, and my penis finds itself drooping. Not to mention there's the whole "toy" problem others have noted. One command she can't obey is one that involves surprising you. Even malfunctions would get repetitive pretty quick with these girls.

2. Personality - Common Theory

So then, the logical thing to assume is that I'm into a girl that has a personality. But, it's still not so easy for me. You see, one of the occupational hazards of pondering this so much is that you come upon questions like, "What exactly is a personality in the first place?". Judging on the replies in this thread, and a lot of the fiction seen here and on the adjoining wiki, most people seem to imagine a robot girl who's mannerisms, choices, and emotions are made for her, and in some cases are shown to develop into something more. And, what's more, she's still fully controllable and "programmable". Her personality, and everything else about her, is easily rewritable. And, in a way, this is a very erotic prospect for me. It's basically all the fun of a mindless doll, because she's still submissive to your will, but without the letdown of, well, a mindless doll. There seems to be something "there". A level of consciousness that you can communicate and interact with. Gynoneko and Yosuke's "Command her to embarrass herself" idea is a great example of an idea based around this method that gets me so very horny (even though this particular idea is one I've only just seen now =P): She has the mental capacity to become embarrassed and dislike certain things, but she's still stuck obeying whatever commands she's given. I like seeing her respond to my control over her (and squirming is particularly sexy to me).

But, there's a flaw in this plan as well. At the end of the day, it's, well... just plain illogical. The easiest way to explain this, that I can find, is to think for a moment about the way the human mind works. We don't have special regions in our brain detailing what music we like, or our preferred vocabulary, or anything of the sort. The only "personality" to be found in our own minds is the result of our memory analysis. A programming-dependent girl whose "personality" is freely rewritable would be no different from a mindless doll. Her "quirks" are all preprogrammed, and they won't be doing a whole lot of evolving, if any at all.

3. Personality - Human Method

And so, this brings me to the last possibility for a robot girl: Use the human mind's model. That is to say, make her intelligent enough to be sentient (able to improve her own intellect by learning), and let her develop her own personal quirks from there. However, since her mind is driven the human way, by memory analysis, she's not going to be programmable or unquestioningly obedient, and changing her personality isn't going to be very feasible either, unless you like the idea of sorting through millions of memories (at the least), and manipulating them all in careful, precise manners to produce the desired effects. There's also no real opportunity for cognitive malfunctions, either, as her mind would be adaptable.

Conclusion (FINALLY)

Well, after typing out this long-ass rant, I think I can reach some kind of conclusion. The second kind of girl I discussed (personality, still programmable) is what I find to be the absolute sexiest out of the three. This is a little bizarre though, since as I mentioned, I find the idea horribly illogical. It's often irritating to see a sentient android girl reduced to a well-programmed machine, but at the same time, extremely arousing. Maybe it's the suspension of disbelief, maybe it's a sick control fantasy, or perhaps something else I don't yet understand, but it's the way my favorite stories play out.

But, I also want to mention that the third type (human-like mind, memory-analyzing) makes me feel very warm and loving inside. If the technology existed to make such a robot, I'd be most interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with her. No obedience or malfunction, but hey, that's what roleplay is for. =P

Speaking of malfunction, I was originally going to work my feelings on that, and the Uncanny Valley, into this, but this post is a monster already and that stuff seems to belong in a different topic. I may be tempted to make one like that myself at some point.

Keizo · Post by **Keizo** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:53 pm

First off, I would like to say "Welcome to the community" and to thank you for contributing to the discussions. I usually don't touch these subjects because I usually don't agree with what most people are saying. All I can say on the subject is that I wish people would allow themselves to be satisfied, even if it's just an illusion (especially if that illusion is in the form of a beautiful woman!).

So what if a "personality" is based on an elaborate program? If that program can learn, adapt, observe and contribute WITHIN BOUNDARIES then why do people insist on feeling cheated? Are human beings really that needy that we need CONSTANT affirmation from a free-willed source? It really looks that way.

Remy · Post by **Remy** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:56 pm

Robjoe wrote: 1. Mindless doll

I like the idea of a "blank, monotone" girl, as others put it, because the simple thought of a mind working that way and perceiving the world is incredibly arousing to me. She receives a command and obediently sets right off to work, unable to so much as consider an alternate course of action. Not to mention monotone speaking, particularly when she is obeying, rocks me like few other things do.

However, my enjoyment eventually subsides when I start applying rational thought to the situation. You can hardly call such a thing a mind when it displays a profound lack of intelligence. If there's nothing there that's really perceiving anything in the situation, my enthusiasm dies down. Now, a mindless doll is a little interesting in its own right, but a big part of my arousal centers around the mind of the girl, and how she feels about the situation. If she's empty-headed, so to speak, then the situation takes on a very hollow feeling, and my penis finds itself drooping. Not to mention there's the whole "toy" problem others have noted. One command she can't obey is one that involves surprising you. Even malfunctions would get repetitive pretty quick with these girls.

I say, I agree with you wholeheartedly, my good sir. *puts on a monocle, looking fancy*

Robjoe · Post by **Robjoe** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:45 pm

Keizo wrote:First off, I would like to say "Welcome to the community" and to thank you for contributing to the discussions.

Thanks. :3

Keizo wrote:So what if a "personality" is based on an elaborate program? If that program can learn, adapt, observe and contribute WITHIN BOUNDARIES then why do people insist on feeling cheated? Are human beings really that needy that we need CONSTANT affirmation from a free-willed source? It really looks that way.

Myself, I find the idea of a complex illusion a little unsettling (though arousing in it's own way, as well). But it'd be pretty easy to see through, if it were a mere simulation. To make something as convincing as you proposed without straight-up giving it our own memory-analyzing skills would be far too impractical. Let it develop like a human mind and it should only take a matter of years, under good circumstances. If you want to write a elaborate simulation though, that could take several lifetimes (which I think certain groups are trying anyway), especially to get it to adult-level functionality.

Wouldn't expect any free will though, as that seems to be out of the question even for our own minds. =P

Keizo · Post by **Keizo** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:11 pm

I love when people only end up proving my point

Enchanter · Post by **Enchanter** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:10 pm

My feeling regarding a fully free-willed android is that at that point you're talking about a sentient being. Which is all well and good; I have no objection to sentient beings - "my best friends are sentient beings" - but at that point you're no longer talking about an android in any sense that gets the part of my brain that keeps me coming to this site excited.

For me, it's precisely the lack of free will that is erotic-in-this-way.

Also, Robjoe... I think we have to acknowledge that our fantasies don't have to be logical. We can fantasize about and yearn for something that has no reason to exist or even fails to make any sense, but it turns us on anyway.

Tanelorn2011 · Post by **Tanelorn2011** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:05 am

DJDojo wrote:I'd want personality in my fembot....I just can't see myself loving a mute piece of machinery - that's just not very "sexy" to me.

As to the kind of personality...probably perky, gentle but with a naughty streak (I'd want her to be a companion, not just a fancy toy, so I'd need something I could wake up to in the morning )

Yes Androids with personality are more interresting, I like naughty rebel androids that try to "control" their own programming.

gynoneko · Post by **gynoneko** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:17 am

Of course, as I stated before, personality is a big bonus for me in my fembots, I would also like to add that this has nothing to do with sentientness. Persoanlly, I like the idea of the conflicted robot. The android or gynoid that has started to become self aware and free thinking, but is still limited by its programming and need to follow orders. It could even play into what the android would want. Would it want to have orders to blindly follow? Or would it prefer to be free and take no orders? Maybe it wants to follow orders but only if it agrees with them or likes the person giving the orders. Internal conflict really intrigues me with robots, so in terms of being sentient, I'd prefer a robot conflicted with it's own nature due to it's recently aquired sense of self.