What would you like to see in a Hypno-robot?

robolvr · Post by **robolvr** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:21 pm

Over on Freeztek's message board, LordHypno announced that he was preparing to shot more hypnosis videos. He was seeking advice on what he could do to make more compelling robot segments in his videos. His exact words:

So here's the deal i can make Great Freeze video's all year long that i like. However i will need some help making some other stuff what could i change to make my freeze stuff better new things you want to see

So can someone tell me what make's a great Robot Video ?
: what are you looking for how should she sound/move should she know she's a robot should she not ? is her mind blank or just overridden ?

Thought this might be of interest to some. (And it's it's always good when someone asks how to make a better robot video, IMHO.

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So if you have anything to contribute, please post it here. (Or on the original post: http://lm.basictek.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=844)

RL

Stephaniebot · Post by **Stephaniebot** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:05 am

I assume with hypnosis that at least some degree of how she plays the robot is going to depend on her own subliminal (or otherwise) view of how a robot should act, so to some degree it does depend on her. And as someone who only wants to be on the receiving end of hypnosis, and doesnt know quite what is possible my views may be a little wrong, but...

Blank faced looks should be a must for a robot, after all they are ultimately just a machine, albeit one I'd love to be. Lack of any sign of emotion is also a pretty critical one imo. Overridden only really works if the idea is that its a human who has been turned into a robot, not trying to make her believe she is simply now a robot who was human.
Monotone voice, well I love the idea, but not sure its critical, but it does give that machine like essence if there is no tone or timbre in the voice whatsoever.
Movement, well if they move just like a human then whats the point? But equally 50's style robot steps might just be a bit too corny. Somewhere in between, maybe closer to the latter than the former might be good.

Dont know how feasible (or permitted) it would be but imagine if the robot was touched (or more) in some way that a human would normally react to, but the robot doesnt even blink!

Personally I would say she ought to know she's a robot either way, but most definitely if she is a created robot then she ought to know her status (and designation). Transformed, it might still be hot if she realised she was no longer human and had been transformed into nothing more than a machine.

Hope that helps

andoroido · Post by **andoroido** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:50 am

My little pet peeves from what I've seen.

Monotone voice WOULD be nice, but it usually sounds terrible.
Just a voice without much emotion, cold, would probably be a better instruction.
If it were possible to edit the sound post-production to make the voice more robotic rather than depending on the person to do it(badly), that would be ideal, but hey, that's just dreaming.

Getting them to stutter or repeat words sometimes (without the typical stressd-out voice of a stuttering person) would be very robotic.
Or just repeat all short words 3 times, " a..a..a.." or "the...the...the..." whenever they come up in the sentence would be an easy little instruction, maybe. This changes " I can't move my arm" to "I..I..I.. can't move my..my..my.. arm." Very robotic, even if the voice is kept full of emotion as normal.

In another scenario, an emotional "human" reaction to a draining battery could be cool.

Robotic movement basically depends on the person, and it seems that most people suck. Oh well

For people without the skills of a mime, the occaisional robo-twitch would be a better effect than trying to do the arms-bent robo walk.
I'd love to see someone with even half the skill of Shields and Yarnell, though.

A 2 person game could be just like the touch-freeze game, except the challenge is to push the "power switch" (back of the neck, base of the back, whatever) to turn someone "off". But they can try to dodge or block the attempts. Could get rough if the players are too competitive.

A funny ending to the session might be convincing the person that the only reason they've been hypnotizable all along is because they actually ARE robots, but never knew it. But if they find out they're actually robots, they will become confused and freeze up.

And last of all, I'd rather see a good-looking or even nicely plain woman fully clothed,or half-clothed

instead of a not-so-hot one willing to get naked.
To be blunt, the #1 part of the robot fantasy includes the concept that nobody would build an ugly, chunky gynoid.

andoroido · Post by **andoroido** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:15 am

A couple more ideas popped into my head.

I think a lot of us would also like the blank stare with a smile, like a flight attendant or Stepford Wife type thing.

Which leads to just getting the hypnotized girls to act like Stepford Wives, as long as they've heard of the film, and know there's some stuttering and twitching involved, it could be agreat alternative to the standard robo-voice arms at 90 degrees stereotype.

Another game could be that the girl is a very realistic android, but she becomes convinced that she can hear her own motors whirring whenever she moves if it's really quiet. At first she will stop and just try moving one joint at a time (in effect doing robotic motion) just to try to hear the "whirring". She might even try to get other people to notice the "sound" by standing still and only moving one joint at a time "Hey, listen to my elbow!"
In the end, another hypno-trigger for the "off switch" could be used by someone else to freeze her and "wipe her memory"

Anyway, I always have ideas!
(Now, if only the idaes would translate into a free copy of the result, which they DO at the GIga-Freeks site,by the way)

BTW, Is LordHypno reading this thread?

lex · Post by **lex** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:08 am

Slight necromancy, but I think it's relevant to the thread topic.

My last hypnosis video was with a girl called Becky, it had a fembot section. There's a preview here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaaU9DFQZrI

The full robot section is 7.5 minutes long, (I should really have robotized her the moment she mentioned that she owned a PVC catsuit and spent an hour playing with robo-becky, as it was though, we didn't fit it in till the end of the shoot.) The YouTube clip gives a good idea of what we got up to. I think it fits the points that Robotman raised pretty well.

I've reverbed her voice a little, and added "computing" sound effects (bonus points to the first person that can tell me where the computing sound effect comes from)

Here are my own thoughts:
I think her speech sounds pretty good, but that I should have had her announce "Confirmed" or "Compliant" after each task "Yes Sir, Becky Bot Obeys" is a little long winded when you want her to smoothly carry out command after command.

I think her walking needs work. It's robotic, but in a clumsy Hollywood robo-monster way, as opposed to a smoothly operating sexbot.

I think her mannequin poses are the best part about this, like robotman said, one body part moving at a time (sometimes starting off with a little judder) then locking in place when it gets there. Robotic to the extreeeeme.

The fact that mannequins are usually posed a little unrealistically adds to the idea that she's not quite human.

What does everyone else think? Like to post your own reviews and suggestions for my next shoot?

Stephaniebot · Post by **Stephaniebot** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:35 pm

I think its very good, and she's definitely both cute, and very good at playing the robot. Great work.

jakeCTom · Post by **jakeCTom** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:32 pm

awesome work. Other than moving a bit like an old school robot it was great. Try malfunctioning next time. Whoever the girl was, she did a great job.

lex · Post by **lex** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:00 am

Robotman wrote:She's VERY hot, nice bod too. And she does do the robot movement very well. It would be nice to be on the set of one of these shoots to make sure it turns out just perfectly.

Well the girls are usually happy for me to bring a friend along. My g/f came to this one, (whom I write a hypnosis blog with "Hypnofantastico") which was handy, because I could demonstrate my own triggers on her, which made the whole thing a bit more real for Becky the model.

If you're ever in or around North West Uk, drop me a line and I'll let you know when the next shoot is.

lex · Post by **lex** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:04 am

jakeCTom wrote:awesome work. Other than moving a bit like an old school robot it was great. Try malfunctioning next time. Whoever the girl was, she did a great job.

Yeah, she's a little too shambly to be all that sexy in her walking movements... fortuitously, the fact she's clad from head to toe in PVC and hot as hell makes up for that.

Malfunctions and smoother moves for the next vid. Roger!

Also, I kind of enjoy seeing a contrast in behaviour, during this shoot I had her switch between thinking she'd just crashed into my car, and that she was pissed off at *me* because I'd just crashed into hers and then somehow taken control of her and kept commanding her body to do sexy things to amuse me.

Do other people like a contrast too? Would you want to see a lively smiley girl become a blank robot? Or a pissed off sweary type enter robot mode, and fully realise what's going on, but have no control over it. (Till I release her from robot mode)

Let me know.

jakeCTom · Post by **jakeCTom** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:41 am

I think that could be very interesting.

ehy · Post by **ehy** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:49 pm

Contrast is TOTALLY the thing for me.

Nothing's quite as sexy as the moment when her behavior changes completely, and she has no control over the change.

wjbaines · Post by **wjbaines** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:31 pm

I gotta go with malfunctions. The more the better.

- Some kind of calibration problem as far as depth-perception goes, causing her to bump (especially repeatedly) into walls/furniture/you, etc. Maybe difficulty picking up objects in the same vein: missing an object and then wondering it's not in her hand, etc. This needn't be some dumb, overly mechanical-looking thing. The girl may appear genuinely confused and her movement quite fluid;

- longish pauses between questions or commands and her response (while she's 'computing');

- subtle jerky motions, especially of the head;

- Logic traps (usually a favorite).

- Another real plus would be if the girl realized that she was malfunctioning. She might say or stutter things like "I think I'm - I think - I think - I think I'm mal - I think I'm malfunctioning!" And perhaps a kind of plaintive: "What's wrong with me"? or "Fix me!"

Here is another idea: Perhaps the girl at first in fact tries to deny that she is a robot, rather than mildly accept the notion as fact immediately. For example, as a 'technician' whose just doing a job, you might start by blandly saying on the camera her serial number, model type, and so on (like doctors record information during autopsies). She might interrupt you in protest. Keeps denying until you confront her with questions about her past (which she can’t answer because she doesn’t have one — or has only a thin veneer of one). The dawning realization causes her to malfunction in some of the various ways mentioned briefly above.

My $0.50.

Pvt. Prinny · Post by **Pvt. Prinny** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:27 pm

wjbaines wrote:I gotta go with malfunctions. The more the better.

- Some kind of calibration problem as far as depth-perception goes, causing her to bump (especially repeatedly) into walls/furniture/you, etc. Maybe difficulty picking up objects in the same vein: missing an object and then wondering it's not in her hand, etc. This needn't be some dumb, overly mechanical-looking thing. The girl may appear genuinely confused and her movement quite fluid;

- longish pauses between questions or commands and her response (while she's 'computing');

- subtle jerky motions, especially of the head;

- Logic traps (usually a favorite).

- Another real plus would be if the girl realized that she was malfunctioning. She might say or stutter things like "I think I'm - I think - I think - I think I'm mal - I think I'm malfunctioning!" And perhaps a kind of plaintive: "What's wrong with me"? or "Fix me!"

My $0.50.

Quoted for absolute truth

robolvr · Post by **robolvr** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:31 am

One thing I would love to see---along with everything else mentioned--- is a gradual transformation into robot. Have her start off fine, but the longer the video goes, she starts slipping more and more into character. Things start creeping into speech and movement until she's fully in character.

lex · Post by **lex** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:32 am

robolvr wrote:One thing I would love to see---along with everything else mentioned--- is a gradual transformation into robot. Have her start off fine, but the longer the video goes, she starts slipping more and more into character. Things start creeping into speech and movement until she's fully in character.

Now *that's* a cool idea. Though not everyone's good at the "Grudual change" suggestions. Lizzi my g/f is a great hypnosis subject, and has several "alt" personas (puppy, bimbo, fembot) the couple of time's I've tried getting her to slowly change from one persona to the next though, she's gotten confused along the way, or hasn't been able to easily slide from one personality type to the next.

Assuming I can find the right girl though, there are a number of "graudal change" suggestions you can do:

Memory erasure
Batteries run down
Slow change to robot
Slowdown to mannequin
Progressively worse malfunctions (Till she's just a twitching jibbering mess on the floor

)
etc.

robolvr · Post by **robolvr** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:36 am

lex wrote:
robolvr wrote:One thing I would love to see---along with everything else mentioned--- is a gradual transformation into robot. Have her start off fine, but the longer the video goes, she starts slipping more and more into character. Things start creeping into speech and movement until she's fully in character.
Now *that's* a cool idea. Though not everyone's good at the "Grudual change" suggestions. Lizzi my g/f is a great hypnosis subject, and has several "alt" personas (puppy, bimbo, fembot) the couple of time's I've tried getting her to slowly change from one persona to the next though, she's gotten confused along the way, or hasn't been able to easily slide from one personality type to the next.

Assuming I can find the right girl though, there are a number of "graudal change" suggestions you can do:

Memory erasure
Batteries run down
Slow change to robot
Slowdown to mannequin
Progressively worse malfunctions (Till she's just a twitching jibbering mess on the floor )
etc.

I agree. It's hard enough to find someone who can portray robot well enough (like Becky), much less someone who can control that change.

One suggestion you might give is to have Levels. So that you tell her she's at Level 0, completely human. And then as you change her level, she changes unknowingly. Level 5 = half human, half robot. Level 10 = all robot. Might take several session to build that scale, but I think you're up to the challenge.