Scripts huh?
I can write a script (or teleplay) and do a little artwork by hand.
But I don't know WHO would look at it and convert it to video?
It would be neat to see my stories as well as a few other "come alive".
Scripts
-
Brytestar
- Posts: 1077
- Joined: Sat May 25, 2002 11:38 pm
- Technosexuality: Built
- Identification: Human
- Gender: Male
- Location: Metro Detroit
- x 1
- x 2
- Contact:
-
robolvr
- Posts: 154
- Joined: Tue May 28, 2002 10:55 pm
- Technosexuality: Transformation
- Identification: Human
- Gender: Male
- x 2
- Contact:
He speaks...finally!
Hello everyone. Sorry for taking so long to respond to this thread, but there's been so much good information in this thread that it's been hard to find a good jumping off point. But here I go anyway...
For a long time, I was like most everyone else and thought that doing an ASFR movie would be awesome. And then after many conversations, Android675 (A675), Keraptis, and I decided to do one. It was a very interesting endeavor to bring to life something that was personally a vision we all had. Of course, little did we know what we were getting into. So, hopefully in my ramblings---and that's the right word for this---folks will get something good out of it.
The first step we had to come up with was an idea for a script. Luckily enough, we had a story in mind as the basis for out movie. If you start from scratch, it might be a different challenge. ADVICE: Agree on what you want before you get deep into the project. We decided from the get-go what we wanted to go into the movie, and that makes it easier while shooting and editing.
Then, there's the money. We decided early on that we wanted to have high standards in our production. Producing a video isn't cheap, and the more people you have on board, the more economical it is. But...the problem with bringing more financial backers on board is the fact that they will want a say in what goes into the movie. 10 people with 10 different ideas can kill you before you start. ADVICE: Make sure you decide on your "team". Keep your team as small as you can, and still get enough financial backing to do it.
Next, we contacted a production company/distributor to help in the making of the movie. This of course, upped our budget. Also, by involving them, we loss some of our control as well. But that was required by us to get our movie made. Our original script had to be trimmed by several pages because of time and budget limitations. ADVICE: Keep the limiting factors in mind when polishing up your script, so you can make it doable.
Getting talent also proved to be QUITE a challenge. For those of you who have seen the video, we found two very good actresses to play our parts. But what you didn't see is the dozens of actresses we had to audition to find these two. It turned out to be extremely difficult to find talent who understood exactly what we were looking for. ADVICE: write your ASFR script, but don’t forget to make sure that outside people will get it. Keep that in mind as your writing, especially if someone not into ASFR will be in your picture.
Now, I know several folks were asking about our budget. While A675 has specifics, I will try to tell you what I know. Our original budget was about $2000, and that's with a LOT of cutting corners. Among some of the things in our budget:
---2 actresses,
---sound guy,
---cinematographer,
---gaffer,
---set designer,
---costuming,
---craft services,
---casting coordinator,
---camera,
---videotape,
Some of the ways we tried to save money: use residences for sets, combining jobs, doing our own editing. By the end, we still wound up spending a lot more than we originally had planned on. ADVICE: If you go “high-roller” on your production, expect it to be more than you think.
As to the issue of giving up anonymity, I would have to agree and disagree with that statement. Yes, to make a video like this, you do have to come out of the shadows and say, “I want an ASFR film!” But on the same time, there are plenty of ways to do it and still be somewhat anonymous. Staying anonymous was the one of the reason we went to a production company to help with the video than trying to do it all ourselves. It does allow for some distance, which is good if you’re worried. So there are ways to get involved with sacrificing your privacy.
And, I’m very much in agreement that we as fans should be a lot more appreciative of the artisans who do provide wonderful materials. (Those who can…do. Those who can’t…run a web site off of AOL that half not working. *grin*) I know creators would love a place to get feedback and discussion off of their stories and ASFR in general. Let’s hope that
Alright, I have been going on and on for a while here. (“Duh, RL.”) I know you’re tired of this, so let me say in conclusion, I hope more folks get interested in wanting to develop scripts and produce videos. From personal experience, I can say this is one of them “the journey is better than the destination” things. (And a big thanks to everyone who bought and supported our endeavor!)
If you have any questions about “Upgrade,” making an ASFR movie---or what the hell I just said in aforementioned text---feel free to post here or email me. Take care…
RL
P.S. If you ever need a consultant for your idea/production/whatever, please feel free to drop me a line. As A675 & Keraptis can attest, I’m always good for at least one idea.
For a long time, I was like most everyone else and thought that doing an ASFR movie would be awesome. And then after many conversations, Android675 (A675), Keraptis, and I decided to do one. It was a very interesting endeavor to bring to life something that was personally a vision we all had. Of course, little did we know what we were getting into. So, hopefully in my ramblings---and that's the right word for this---folks will get something good out of it.
The first step we had to come up with was an idea for a script. Luckily enough, we had a story in mind as the basis for out movie. If you start from scratch, it might be a different challenge. ADVICE: Agree on what you want before you get deep into the project. We decided from the get-go what we wanted to go into the movie, and that makes it easier while shooting and editing.
Then, there's the money. We decided early on that we wanted to have high standards in our production. Producing a video isn't cheap, and the more people you have on board, the more economical it is. But...the problem with bringing more financial backers on board is the fact that they will want a say in what goes into the movie. 10 people with 10 different ideas can kill you before you start. ADVICE: Make sure you decide on your "team". Keep your team as small as you can, and still get enough financial backing to do it.
Next, we contacted a production company/distributor to help in the making of the movie. This of course, upped our budget. Also, by involving them, we loss some of our control as well. But that was required by us to get our movie made. Our original script had to be trimmed by several pages because of time and budget limitations. ADVICE: Keep the limiting factors in mind when polishing up your script, so you can make it doable.
Getting talent also proved to be QUITE a challenge. For those of you who have seen the video, we found two very good actresses to play our parts. But what you didn't see is the dozens of actresses we had to audition to find these two. It turned out to be extremely difficult to find talent who understood exactly what we were looking for. ADVICE: write your ASFR script, but don’t forget to make sure that outside people will get it. Keep that in mind as your writing, especially if someone not into ASFR will be in your picture.
Now, I know several folks were asking about our budget. While A675 has specifics, I will try to tell you what I know. Our original budget was about $2000, and that's with a LOT of cutting corners. Among some of the things in our budget:
---2 actresses,
---sound guy,
---cinematographer,
---gaffer,
---set designer,
---costuming,
---craft services,
---casting coordinator,
---camera,
---videotape,
Some of the ways we tried to save money: use residences for sets, combining jobs, doing our own editing. By the end, we still wound up spending a lot more than we originally had planned on. ADVICE: If you go “high-roller” on your production, expect it to be more than you think.
As to the issue of giving up anonymity, I would have to agree and disagree with that statement. Yes, to make a video like this, you do have to come out of the shadows and say, “I want an ASFR film!” But on the same time, there are plenty of ways to do it and still be somewhat anonymous. Staying anonymous was the one of the reason we went to a production company to help with the video than trying to do it all ourselves. It does allow for some distance, which is good if you’re worried. So there are ways to get involved with sacrificing your privacy.
And, I’m very much in agreement that we as fans should be a lot more appreciative of the artisans who do provide wonderful materials. (Those who can…do. Those who can’t…run a web site off of AOL that half not working. *grin*) I know creators would love a place to get feedback and discussion off of their stories and ASFR in general. Let’s hope that
Alright, I have been going on and on for a while here. (“Duh, RL.”) I know you’re tired of this, so let me say in conclusion, I hope more folks get interested in wanting to develop scripts and produce videos. From personal experience, I can say this is one of them “the journey is better than the destination” things. (And a big thanks to everyone who bought and supported our endeavor!)
If you have any questions about “Upgrade,” making an ASFR movie---or what the hell I just said in aforementioned text---feel free to post here or email me. Take care…
RL
P.S. If you ever need a consultant for your idea/production/whatever, please feel free to drop me a line. As A675 & Keraptis can attest, I’m always good for at least one idea.
-
Android675
- Posts: 79
- Joined: Mon May 27, 2002 10:38 pm
- Technosexuality: Built and Transformation
- Identification: Human
- Gender: Male
- Contact:
Re: Scripts
So… between the time that I started writing this and finished writing this, Robolvr posted his response above, so I haven't read what he had to say yet. If anything I say in here contradicts him, that's why.
Well, Keraptis did indeed "nudge" me to visit this thread, as promised. In order to make this response a little shorter, I'll say I agree with his views on, well, just about everything.
To directly address the budget question, I don't recall all the exact figures, but here's my recollection:
Lighting Package: $300
Gaffer/DP: $300
Grip/Electric: $200
Audio Engineer & Package: $200
Prod. Coord/Casting Dir: $300
Actresses: $400 ($200 each)
Camera Rental: $200
Costumes: $250 ($125 each)
Food/Snacks: $50
BetaSP stock: $120
VHS Stock: $75
Plus $75 for a last-minute, day of the shoot, AC500 for the camera since our batteries died a bit more quickly than expected. I know I'm forgetting some things, but the total was around $2600.
This didn't include a fee for Stuckfast, who provided the crew and talent. Our deal is that his fee would come from a percentage of sales. It also doesn't include the cost of the numerous, lengthy long-distance conference calls between Keraptis, Robolvr and myself. Nor does it include any post-production costs, including all the offline and online editing (which would have been enormous), or the cost of the location, which was loaned to us by a friend.
Everyone went over and above, considering what they were getting paid. The casting director put in many days of work to get all the actresses for our casting session and then book the talent, and she was our coordinator for the day of the shoot as well. The DP showed up for the rehearsal day. The actresses put in nearly a full day of rehearsal before the shoot. We recorded the casting session and also the rehearsal day on cameras borrowed from friends that we didn't need to pay for.
Overall, the end product wasn't exactly what we had hoped for, but considering the limitations, we were happy with it. It was incredibly satisfying to see many of the things that we had imagined and written come to life. Still, it's frustrating to have so many ideas and be faced with the realities of what is possible on a low budget. Let's face it… this is a high-budget fantasy if you want to do it right.
As for the idea of writing scripts, well, I certainly wouldn't want to discourage anyone from being as creative as they want to be with this fetish. But if the goal is to bring something to video, I agree with Keraptis… the problem isn't the lack of ideas, but the lack of ability to get the thing physically made. Perhaps the best approach for that is to determine what the ASFR community, as a whole, can offer. Do people have access to any women who would do something like this, or equipment to get it done? Does anyone have experience producing or directing? Would everyone, or anyone, be willing to contribute funds?
And as Andoroido brought up, very perceptively, there's the loss of anonymity that goes along with the collaborative effort of making a video. From the experience of doing Upgrade, I can tell everyone that it's impossible to keep people from finding out that you have the fetish when you're working on a video. Before Upgrade, the number of non-ASFR people who knew I was into this odd little fetish was zero. Now there are at least three people who know about it, and probably 10 more that have a pretty good idea but are nice enough not to mention it.
So, those are a few thoughts. Obviously, lots more to talk about.
Android
Well, Keraptis did indeed "nudge" me to visit this thread, as promised. In order to make this response a little shorter, I'll say I agree with his views on, well, just about everything.
To directly address the budget question, I don't recall all the exact figures, but here's my recollection:
Lighting Package: $300
Gaffer/DP: $300
Grip/Electric: $200
Audio Engineer & Package: $200
Prod. Coord/Casting Dir: $300
Actresses: $400 ($200 each)
Camera Rental: $200
Costumes: $250 ($125 each)
Food/Snacks: $50
BetaSP stock: $120
VHS Stock: $75
Plus $75 for a last-minute, day of the shoot, AC500 for the camera since our batteries died a bit more quickly than expected. I know I'm forgetting some things, but the total was around $2600.
This didn't include a fee for Stuckfast, who provided the crew and talent. Our deal is that his fee would come from a percentage of sales. It also doesn't include the cost of the numerous, lengthy long-distance conference calls between Keraptis, Robolvr and myself. Nor does it include any post-production costs, including all the offline and online editing (which would have been enormous), or the cost of the location, which was loaned to us by a friend.
Everyone went over and above, considering what they were getting paid. The casting director put in many days of work to get all the actresses for our casting session and then book the talent, and she was our coordinator for the day of the shoot as well. The DP showed up for the rehearsal day. The actresses put in nearly a full day of rehearsal before the shoot. We recorded the casting session and also the rehearsal day on cameras borrowed from friends that we didn't need to pay for.
Overall, the end product wasn't exactly what we had hoped for, but considering the limitations, we were happy with it. It was incredibly satisfying to see many of the things that we had imagined and written come to life. Still, it's frustrating to have so many ideas and be faced with the realities of what is possible on a low budget. Let's face it… this is a high-budget fantasy if you want to do it right.
As for the idea of writing scripts, well, I certainly wouldn't want to discourage anyone from being as creative as they want to be with this fetish. But if the goal is to bring something to video, I agree with Keraptis… the problem isn't the lack of ideas, but the lack of ability to get the thing physically made. Perhaps the best approach for that is to determine what the ASFR community, as a whole, can offer. Do people have access to any women who would do something like this, or equipment to get it done? Does anyone have experience producing or directing? Would everyone, or anyone, be willing to contribute funds?
And as Andoroido brought up, very perceptively, there's the loss of anonymity that goes along with the collaborative effort of making a video. From the experience of doing Upgrade, I can tell everyone that it's impossible to keep people from finding out that you have the fetish when you're working on a video. Before Upgrade, the number of non-ASFR people who knew I was into this odd little fetish was zero. Now there are at least three people who know about it, and probably 10 more that have a pretty good idea but are nice enough not to mention it.
So, those are a few thoughts. Obviously, lots more to talk about.
Android
-
Miss Silver Karakuri
- Posts: 91
- Joined: Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:00 am
- Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
- Contact:
When I first thought about writing the message to start this thread I thought oh there will be some commment nothing much will really come from it. But WOW, thanks Robolvr, Keraptis, & Android675, for your information about Upgrade, its been an eye opener.
I dunno if anyone is actually starting to try out some scripts at least as a writing style I have thought about it as a style for a while now, though I have other things which are taking my time at the moment but its on the list of things to do.
But I hope that others are attempting it, at least to see what can be done... even just as a writing style, it would be something different to read.
Again thanks for the wonderful input on this topic.
I dunno if anyone is actually starting to try out some scripts at least as a writing style I have thought about it as a style for a while now, though I have other things which are taking my time at the moment but its on the list of things to do.
But I hope that others are attempting it, at least to see what can be done... even just as a writing style, it would be something different to read.
Again thanks for the wonderful input on this topic.
Miss Silver Karakuri
-
WinterRose
- Posts: 283
- Joined: Sun May 26, 2002 5:29 am
- Technosexuality: Built and Transformation
- Identification: Android
- Gender: Female
- Location: Raleigh NC
- x 1
- x 1
- Contact:
Wow... I'm surprised I missed this thread for as long as I have. All this sort of thing and what EHY mentioned doing audio-wise is JUST what I've been working on for the last year. E-Mailing authors of more popular ASFR and Mind Control fiction to get permission. Going on hunts for voice talent through the different ASFR message boards... I have had enough interest to keep me going in the making of the site.
In the Updates section I announced the debut of the Psycho Technoid Theater and Silver's already noticed downloads of the RobotDoll story she's hosting and serving up for all of us that I made. It would have been NICE to have other actors and actresses doing that. But hey. Silver's drafted now. So we'll definitely be getting her voice in later efforts. There are a few other feellers I have out there for voice talent as well. But it's all dependant on cooperation. And like our intrepid trio of film-makers, the biggest obstacle would be to find female voice talent to DO some of the lines that women speak in these stories.
Having seen the success of the Warp My Mind website concerning freely available fetish hypnosis inductions inspired me to keep on with it when the people and actors adopted a sort of wait and see attitude to see if I'd suck or not. Here's hoping that the initial audioplay will encourage interest! This is something ANYone with a computer and the interest could do. Well, and a microphone. And the more people involved, the more we can do!
-WinterRose
In the Updates section I announced the debut of the Psycho Technoid Theater and Silver's already noticed downloads of the RobotDoll story she's hosting and serving up for all of us that I made. It would have been NICE to have other actors and actresses doing that. But hey. Silver's drafted now. So we'll definitely be getting her voice in later efforts. There are a few other feellers I have out there for voice talent as well. But it's all dependant on cooperation. And like our intrepid trio of film-makers, the biggest obstacle would be to find female voice talent to DO some of the lines that women speak in these stories.
Having seen the success of the Warp My Mind website concerning freely available fetish hypnosis inductions inspired me to keep on with it when the people and actors adopted a sort of wait and see attitude to see if I'd suck or not. Here's hoping that the initial audioplay will encourage interest! This is something ANYone with a computer and the interest could do. Well, and a microphone. And the more people involved, the more we can do!
-WinterRose
-
WinterRose
- Posts: 283
- Joined: Sun May 26, 2002 5:29 am
- Technosexuality: Built and Transformation
- Identification: Android
- Gender: Female
- Location: Raleigh NC
- x 1
- x 1
- Contact:
-
Brytestar
- Posts: 1077
- Joined: Sat May 25, 2002 11:38 pm
- Technosexuality: Built
- Identification: Human
- Gender: Male
- Location: Metro Detroit
- x 1
- x 2
- Contact:
-
ehy
- Posts: 419
- Joined: Thu Jun 06, 2002 3:41 pm
- Technosexuality: Built and Transformation
- Identification: Human
- Gender: Male
- Contact:
WinterRose: *blink* I guess it's possible, then. Cool!
Brytestar (& others potentially): I'd certainly consider adapting a story I liked (whether I wrote it originally or not) into a video or audio script, if asked by someone who wanted to make use of it. But keep in mind not all stories work in all forms - when I read Rose's page I was tempted to up and volunteer "Hey, you've got my permission to record any of my stories you can!" -- but then realized some of them probably wouldn't make particularly good audio stories.
EHY
Brytestar (& others potentially): I'd certainly consider adapting a story I liked (whether I wrote it originally or not) into a video or audio script, if asked by someone who wanted to make use of it. But keep in mind not all stories work in all forms - when I read Rose's page I was tempted to up and volunteer "Hey, you've got my permission to record any of my stories you can!" -- but then realized some of them probably wouldn't make particularly good audio stories.
EHY
-
WinterRose
- Posts: 283
- Joined: Sun May 26, 2002 5:29 am
- Technosexuality: Built and Transformation
- Identification: Android
- Gender: Female
- Location: Raleigh NC
- x 1
- x 1
- Contact:
-
WinterRose
- Posts: 283
- Joined: Sun May 26, 2002 5:29 am
- Technosexuality: Built and Transformation
- Identification: Android
- Gender: Female
- Location: Raleigh NC
- x 1
- x 1
- Contact:
No Need for Anonymity...
It's been mentioned that a loss of anonymity is a factor for a lot of people. And surely I've had word from not just one woman that doing this is just too great a risk.
Okay, let's deconstruct that a bit.
First. Unless you're Casey Kasem, there's not THAT many people that are going to recognize your voice only. And good ol Casey's been doing his thing for decades. In a very rare once in a while, and this is if you're a radio personality, someone's going to think your voice is familiar. But considering the niche we tend to be, you're not going to walk into a job interview and have someone point at you like a body snatcher and say, "I RECOGNIZE YOU! YOU WERE THE VOICE OF T-457 IN THE OFFER!!!"
And hey, supposing someone in a job interview DID recognize you? Umm, okay, what's the problem there? Obviously this person is one of us, or they wouldn't have recognized you in the first place. You and said stranger now have some established common ground that far surpasses anything based on some hollow social anecdote. And if you're meeting professionally in a manner where your speaking skills come into play, you'll already have established with that person that you can speak clearly and professionally enough to perform for others online. Correct?
Which brings me to my second point. Supposing someone DID recognize you? I fail to see the problem here. Okay, that's not PRECISELY true. I'm sure there must be at least a FEW creeps in our lurker pool. But geez. Say someone close to you found out about what you were into and what you'd read for. What's the problem there? At that point, you have a chance for honest and open dialogue about why you read this kind of fiction in the first place. Believe it or not, you sort of have the moral high ground here.
"HUH??" I hear you say. Nono. It's true. You are engaging in a bit of fantasy and doing something that satisfies you in some way by reading this kind of fiction. Lending your voice to such an effort would be a bit of a step up, true. But anyone close to you who's going to get judgemental on you and make you feel bad for doing something you enjoy that's THIS harmless? Maybe the talk between you and that person should be about a lot more than just your reading Technosexual and Mind Control fiction.
Relationships aren't about having to hide bits of yourself away from the other. They're about honesty and communication, or they're doomed from the start. And if you're being repressed or made to feel shame about your sexuality by another, your sexuality is not the problem. (Assuming you're not hurting others in its expression) The problem is the person forcing you to hide it away and feel that shame. Whether it's a family member, a sigificant other, or even yourself for enabling the person that's judging you. (Adopts a Tom Servo voice) Think about it, won't you?
"We don't read and write poetry because it's cute. We read and write powtry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with *passion*!"
-Mr. Keating, 'Dead Poets Society'
-WinterRose
The Bestiary - The WinterRose ASFR Website
winterrose.web1000.com
The Psycho Technoid Theater of the Wired
psycho.technoid.theater.web1000.com
Okay, let's deconstruct that a bit.
First. Unless you're Casey Kasem, there's not THAT many people that are going to recognize your voice only. And good ol Casey's been doing his thing for decades. In a very rare once in a while, and this is if you're a radio personality, someone's going to think your voice is familiar. But considering the niche we tend to be, you're not going to walk into a job interview and have someone point at you like a body snatcher and say, "I RECOGNIZE YOU! YOU WERE THE VOICE OF T-457 IN THE OFFER!!!"
And hey, supposing someone in a job interview DID recognize you? Umm, okay, what's the problem there? Obviously this person is one of us, or they wouldn't have recognized you in the first place. You and said stranger now have some established common ground that far surpasses anything based on some hollow social anecdote. And if you're meeting professionally in a manner where your speaking skills come into play, you'll already have established with that person that you can speak clearly and professionally enough to perform for others online. Correct?
Which brings me to my second point. Supposing someone DID recognize you? I fail to see the problem here. Okay, that's not PRECISELY true. I'm sure there must be at least a FEW creeps in our lurker pool. But geez. Say someone close to you found out about what you were into and what you'd read for. What's the problem there? At that point, you have a chance for honest and open dialogue about why you read this kind of fiction in the first place. Believe it or not, you sort of have the moral high ground here.
"HUH??" I hear you say. Nono. It's true. You are engaging in a bit of fantasy and doing something that satisfies you in some way by reading this kind of fiction. Lending your voice to such an effort would be a bit of a step up, true. But anyone close to you who's going to get judgemental on you and make you feel bad for doing something you enjoy that's THIS harmless? Maybe the talk between you and that person should be about a lot more than just your reading Technosexual and Mind Control fiction.
Relationships aren't about having to hide bits of yourself away from the other. They're about honesty and communication, or they're doomed from the start. And if you're being repressed or made to feel shame about your sexuality by another, your sexuality is not the problem. (Assuming you're not hurting others in its expression) The problem is the person forcing you to hide it away and feel that shame. Whether it's a family member, a sigificant other, or even yourself for enabling the person that's judging you. (Adopts a Tom Servo voice) Think about it, won't you?
"We don't read and write poetry because it's cute. We read and write powtry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with *passion*!"
-Mr. Keating, 'Dead Poets Society'
-WinterRose
The Bestiary - The WinterRose ASFR Website
winterrose.web1000.com
The Psycho Technoid Theater of the Wired
psycho.technoid.theater.web1000.com
-
andoroido
- Posts: 679
- Joined: Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:01 am
- Technosexuality: Built
- Identification: Human
- Gender: Male
- x 2
- x 5
- Contact:
Re: No Need for Anonymity...
I think relationships are *all about* hiding bits of ourselves that would freak out or just generally annoy our significant other. How many science fiction stories have there been about how dreadful it would be if we could read each others' minds? A society of total openness would be hell.WinterRose wrote:Relationships aren't about having to hide bits of yourself away from the other. They're about honesty and communication, or they're doomed from the start.
Here's a few thoughts I would never tell my girl.
Because I am a man, I have these piggish thoughts, but I don't share them.
"I wish your breasts were more perky."
"You're pretty but you're no supermodel."
"Your laugh is kind of annoying to me, but I'll deal with it."
"Are those crow's feet around your eyes getting bigger?"
"That meal was about 2 out of 5 stars, but thanks anyway for cooking."
"I wanna have a menage-a-trois with your younger, cuter sister."
"I wish you had an "on/off" switch"
..and the like
Perhaps this is one of the key drives for wanting a gynoid. Because she is perfect, you will never have the thoughts above. Any point of complaint could be rebuilt or reprogrammed... making life much easier than having to learn to live with imperfection. A great fantasy.
Sure, there a some great partners who will accept this harmless fetish, but most will probably be freaked out by it, ruining an otherwise good relationship. We ask not to be judged on our fantasies, but should we judge others for finding our fantasies disturbing?
Hopefully, we are in strong relationships where we can predict whether our partners will be freaked out or not by this revelation. If you can't even begin to guess what your partner's tolerance level is, then you need more time together.
We can also reveal things a step at a time. For example, "I want to draw/paint a picture of you." leads to a basic freeze scenario of posing for the picture.. from which you can gage the reaction of your partner to being frozen, or posed a bit by you.. with no pressure on the partner to "perform", and the activity is widely accepted as romantic. If it goes well, you can move on... There are other games...
Luckily, there are so many facets or ASFR that can be made into acceptable games, whereas other fetishes are fairly take-it-or-leave-it.
A good partner will cooperate in your games, and might even figure out your fetish on their own.. which gives them the freedom to accept it fully, or just play along to keep you happy, because he/she loves you. If your partner seems uncomfortable with your games, then you have your answer, and you haven't ruined your relationship over this fetish.
Gradual expsoure to new ideas is always easier to accept. It almost makes me cry to see people pleading in the forum for the best way to blurt out, "I wanna have sex with robots! I wish YOU were a robot!" (well, basically that's it, isn't it?)
and expect instant acceptance. It's like playing Russian roulette with your relationship.Sadly, wishing for our sexual fantasies to be accepted by everyone is itself a fantasy that will probably take even longer to come true than the appearance of gynoids.
andoroido
-
Miss Silver Karakuri
- Posts: 91
- Joined: Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:00 am
- Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
- Contact:
Regarding discussion about what we should tell our partners and not. I think the list you gave Androido, is more about being tactful by not saying it instead of saying it.
Some people are heavily into this subject and for better or worse might find honest discussion with their partner good or bad, very relieving to the soul. Others its not so much of an issue and so they are left with a little more time and ways to handle things.
Yes just blurting out such things usually is BAD, and I really like the ways you give for examples, so far with my lovers I have been open with except for two and its because they weren't 'lovers' but simply people I 'fucked', so they didn't count. But everyone else have been aware of my interest and they didn't take it badly, honestly they thought it was a joke, that I was kidding, and they just accepted it another weird aspect of me.
I am also seeing things from a womans point of view, and as such men are a little better at taking weird kinks than other women are, although the women Ive slept with haven't been all that adverse either, but I do take a little bit more care when I can. The longer it goes however the harder it can be to tell someone, which is why I usually get it out of the way early. But thats me, and sometimes thats not possible for others.
Some people are heavily into this subject and for better or worse might find honest discussion with their partner good or bad, very relieving to the soul. Others its not so much of an issue and so they are left with a little more time and ways to handle things.
Yes just blurting out such things usually is BAD, and I really like the ways you give for examples, so far with my lovers I have been open with except for two and its because they weren't 'lovers' but simply people I 'fucked', so they didn't count. But everyone else have been aware of my interest and they didn't take it badly, honestly they thought it was a joke, that I was kidding, and they just accepted it another weird aspect of me.
I am also seeing things from a womans point of view, and as such men are a little better at taking weird kinks than other women are, although the women Ive slept with haven't been all that adverse either, but I do take a little bit more care when I can. The longer it goes however the harder it can be to tell someone, which is why I usually get it out of the way early. But thats me, and sometimes thats not possible for others.
Miss Silver Karakuri
-
WinterRose
- Posts: 283
- Joined: Sun May 26, 2002 5:29 am
- Technosexuality: Built and Transformation
- Identification: Android
- Gender: Female
- Location: Raleigh NC
- x 1
- x 1
- Contact:
FNNNK! Okay. I suppose I'm not advocating complete honesty here, folks. It would seem that no-one can actually function if you're COMPLETELY honest. For that matter, I just watched Finch on Just Shoot Me get threatened to have his head stapled to a wall for telling a supermodel JUST what he'd like to do with her. There's little things that aren't as hugely important to be completely honest about. The little things are just that. Little. I suppose the distinction should be made tho. Your sexuality is NOT little. My goddess and bumblebees I sound like Dan Savage. Pardon me. When did I sign on to be a relationship counselor? Eww.
Perhaps it's just me, but my own wanting a gynoid was never about being able to just program over the minor disagreements. I mean the girl that never says no or gets upset with you? As many twilight zones that have been based on the idea of complete honesty or broadcasting every little thought, there have to be just as many warning us about the hell that comes of enforced thought and the 'perfect' mate.
I suppose it works for some. And I suppose you have to go with what works. Bitter experience has taught me that keeping my own likes and dislike buried for the sake of a relationship turns into bitter resentment. Am I better off out of the relationship I was in? In my opinion, absolutely. We've spoken since and she even apologized for being intolerant and controlling. (Big vindication moment. Guys should get those every week. ^_^ ) Should I judge for being judged? If she starts it, sure! When I get judged I'm REALLY not good about turning the other cheek.
The gradual thing sounds neat. You make a ver VERY good point. Hell, I think I even remember reading such things in the past. My own advice pretty much comes under the category of 'This is what I would do. Maybe you should think this through before trying it at home.' To me, the communication and honesty thing has to be there or it's pretty pointless to start with. The operative thing being 'For ME.'
This is all really beside the point about scripts though. I was really trying to just deconstruct the whole fear of loss of anonymity thing when it comes to finding performers and producers and things for the media we really wanna produce. I'll call an 'end of aside' thing for all of us here. The point was everyone... just... Well, do something!
Oh yeah. Rose needs Women. *^_^*
-WinterRose
Perhaps it's just me, but my own wanting a gynoid was never about being able to just program over the minor disagreements. I mean the girl that never says no or gets upset with you? As many twilight zones that have been based on the idea of complete honesty or broadcasting every little thought, there have to be just as many warning us about the hell that comes of enforced thought and the 'perfect' mate.
I suppose it works for some. And I suppose you have to go with what works. Bitter experience has taught me that keeping my own likes and dislike buried for the sake of a relationship turns into bitter resentment. Am I better off out of the relationship I was in? In my opinion, absolutely. We've spoken since and she even apologized for being intolerant and controlling. (Big vindication moment. Guys should get those every week. ^_^ ) Should I judge for being judged? If she starts it, sure! When I get judged I'm REALLY not good about turning the other cheek.
The gradual thing sounds neat. You make a ver VERY good point. Hell, I think I even remember reading such things in the past. My own advice pretty much comes under the category of 'This is what I would do. Maybe you should think this through before trying it at home.' To me, the communication and honesty thing has to be there or it's pretty pointless to start with. The operative thing being 'For ME.'
This is all really beside the point about scripts though. I was really trying to just deconstruct the whole fear of loss of anonymity thing when it comes to finding performers and producers and things for the media we really wanna produce. I'll call an 'end of aside' thing for all of us here. The point was everyone... just... Well, do something!
Oh yeah. Rose needs Women. *^_^*
-WinterRose
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 26 guests