Re: My final message to yall...
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:28 am
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Your mistaken assumption that you need to be a registered member in order to post?smalk wrote:cbjoe wrote:From the public information of your account: Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:30 pm.
I agree with that evaluation.Uncom wrote:"I get that this community can be extremely quiet and feel unsupportive, trust me, I've been there myself. It's just that this fetish is too divided to appeal to everyone. I think everybody who isn't Fection has exprienced a lack of feedback over their years.
The problem is not Ani E's efforts to constructively engage here. The problem is the toxic reaction from a small but vocal minority of you guys.AmpFetish wrote:Name one other creator who has caused this much of a problem. I purchased many of Ani’s videos and engaged in a long private conversation with her on ManyVids to contribute feedback. But it didn’t go anywhere.
If you believe that, then you have a grossly warped and distorted view of what is supportive.AmpFetish wrote:"We’re supportive and grateful towards people that make content ... and now WE are the assholes."
You're entitled to your opinion. We must agree to disagree about your opinion that she was in any way pushy. It seems to me that what you see as "didn't let it go" was in fact her raising the issue here again a couple of times, in a measured way, with a considerable wait between posts.AmpFetish wrote:But as time went on, she still came across as pushy and wouldn’t let the whole thing go.
what the actual fuckLithorien wrote:I stated that everything seems ancillery to her zoophilia videos because after I had engaged with her on ManyVids (including in private messages), I revealed that I was a furry. She then took that and mentioned zoophilia, and asked me for my email address, whereupon she sent me an email with links to a Google Drive account containing explicit beastiality videos and an offer to sell them off-site because they were not allowed on MV. I neither replied nor engaged with any of that content (furry =/= beastiality; it's not my thing at all), but the speed and insistance she had in trying to get me to engage showed me she values her zoophilia folks more than anything else available.
Thank you, Dee. I know we've engaged in conversation before, and you've been an absolute pleasure to deal with every time. I hope you're doing well, and thank you for all your new work. It's positively wonderful.Sweet Delilah wrote:This Unit feels overwhelmed and perplexed by this post and it's many replies, as I have just come across it and do not know the performer in question well. But it does motivate me to say:
To anyone who has ever reached out, given me feedback both positive and negative, or bought my files:
THANK YOU.
Feedback is always appreciated but never required, in this Unit's opinion. I am thankful for this community and the privilege to have an outlet for a kink I hold so dear.
This Unit also appreciates all the effort you have put into building the community, RobotMan.
What a pleasure to see positive vibes surfacing.Sweet Delilah wrote:To anyone who has ever reached out, given me feedback both positive and negative, or bought my files:
THANK YOU.. Feedback... never required.
Remember: content creators who have a serious presence on ManyVids as a platform do require feedback.Sweet Delilah wrote:To anyone who has ever reached out, given me feedback both positive and negative, or bought my files:
THANK YOU.. Feedback... never required.
Way to take that feedback on board here. It's awesome seeing a content creator who craves feedback calling people leaving feedback "ungr[ate]ful cunts." You don't get defensive, do you, Ani?AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... b17ef1cb58
wtf is the deal with people and the thumbs downs on this platform? this is a free video of me fucking a horse cock dildo and a dog cock dildo and half of you gave it a thumbs down?! what ungreatful cunts.
You beg for feedback. But it seems like all you want is positive feedback - you talk yourself up so much, but when people show a dislike for what you're creating, you immediately go on the defensive and find countless ways to reject valid criticisms and honest feedback. Or is the PornHub community as "toxic" as you claim this one is?AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... 34b9bba428
i just wrote a long message for this stream and it magically got deleted when i posted it. wtf.just wanted to say the amazing amounts of thumbs down i have gotten here for posting fun free sexy videos is a real insult and slap in the face. makes me not want anythig to do with it here and DEF makes me not want to share one more damn thing free. it has made me feel most unwelcome, unappreciated, and quite frankly... insulted. lol... i get the hint. i dont stay where im unwant
Getting really upset and defensive about your zoophile videos there, Ani. Are you sure you want to question how I, and others, know which crowd you prioritize over any other? And, wow, it seems like that honest feedback where people were expressing how they felt about your video... wasn't actually what you wanted after all. You even went so far as to delete it! This is really poking a lot of holes in your case, Ani/cbjoe, where you're trying to paint this community as so horrible and toxic about feedback ... it seems like you just have an issue when the feedback isn't unadultered praise for you.AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... a3c0d37263
There are so many ‘men’ out there who are no more then rude, angry, uncouth, insatiable little boys. It’s truly depressing. If you don’t like the video then ok move on to the next you spent not one penny on this so no loss to you just soft on ahead and watch something else. Don’t bring your crass petty insults into my world. You do not get to treat me like shit, you hear me? You don’t even exist. You are hot air and dust.
All comments have been removed, sorry about removing the ones who commented something nice. the hateful shit flung at me for sharing this video for free has been astronomical, and no doubt by men with no real worthy qualities a man should have. The caliber of a ‘man’ who calls a woman a pos because she shared something for free is disgraceful. For shame. Didn’t you learn how to respect others even as a c***d? Furthermore did you miss the lesson on how to speak to a woman?
Now, anyone who wants to be mean to me can piss off wnd go fuck themselves, which I am sure is what they’re doing because no woman would fuck such a lame mother fucker. Be gone, be well, and be far away from me and my reality. Peace.
Great response to viewer feedback. Excellent.AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... ca0abea21a
Fuck anyone who gave this a thumbs down. I will remember that... cunts
Lithorien wrote:Here's the thing. You, Ani/cbjoe, can come here and talk about feedback and how "this community" treats creators all you want. You can even be an utter ass and try to convince other content creators not to stay here when they're perfectly happy and well supported by the community. But you need to remember, Ani, your comments to people who do leave feedback (and you did consider simple likes and dislikes feedback, after all) show a pattern. Namely: The problem isn't with the communities you are in - it's with you.
Way to take that feedback on board here. It's awesome seeing a content creator who craves feedback calling people leaving feedback "ungr[ate]ful cunts." You don't get defensive, do you, Ani?AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... b17ef1cb58
wtf is the deal with people and the thumbs downs on this platform? this is a free video of me fucking a horse cock dildo and a dog cock dildo and half of you gave it a thumbs down?! what ungreatful cunts.
My reply: Lithorien, lol, really, now you stalk me on other platforms? Thanks for sharing the link though cool!
The example you gave has over 3k views, and over 60% thumbs up!!!!!!
Plus, this is generic PornHub, not a fetish community, I have never asked for any feedback on that site, ever. And my statement about being ungrateful is in regard to this being a free video. If they don't like it, find something else. Rather than thumbs down a freebie.
No comparison to this conversation. You missed the point, totally. Nice try, though,
BTW some of my recent vids on PornHub have over 80k views. I thrive on there. No feedback needed on that platform, so utterly irrelevant to this thread.
You beg for feedback. But it seems like all you want is positive feedback - you talk yourself up so much, but when people show a dislike for what you're creating, you immediately go on the defensive and find countless ways to reject valid criticisms and honest feedback. Or is the PornHub community as "toxic" as you claim this one is?AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... 34b9bba428
i just wrote a long message for this stream and it magically got deleted when i posted it. wtf.just wanted to say the amazing amounts of thumbs down i have gotten here for posting fun free sexy videos is a real insult and slap in the face. makes me not want anythig to do with it here and DEF makes me not want to share one more damn thing free. it has made me feel most unwelcome, unappreciated, and quite frankly... insulted. lol... i get the hint. i dont stay where im unwant
My reply: Again, 50% thumbs up on that vid, and it is a free vid, and feedback does not affect ranking on that platform, unlike MV, so not at all relevant. But yes the thumbs down are being ungrateful, this was free, artistic content. Again, thanks for sharing my link. And nice try.
Getting really upset and defensive about your zoophile videos there, Ani. Are you sure you want to question how I, and others, know which crowd you prioritize over any other? And, wow, it seems like that honest feedback where people were expressing how they felt about your video... wasn't actually what you wanted after all. You even went so far as to delete it! This is really poking a lot of holes in your case, Ani/cbjoe, where you're trying to paint this community as so horrible and toxic about feedback ... it seems like you just have an issue when the feedback isn't unadultered praise for you.AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... a3c0d37263
There are so many ‘men’ out there who are no more then rude, angry, uncouth, insatiable little boys. It’s truly depressing. If you don’t like the video then ok move on to the next you spent not one penny on this so no loss to you just soft on ahead and watch something else. Don’t bring your crass petty insults into my world. You do not get to treat me like shit, you hear me? You don’t even exist. You are hot air and dust.
All comments have been removed, sorry about removing the ones who commented something nice. the hateful shit flung at me for sharing this video for free has been astronomical, and no doubt by men with no real worthy qualities a man should have. The caliber of a ‘man’ who calls a woman a pos because she shared something for free is disgraceful. For shame. Didn’t you learn how to respect others even as a c***d? Furthermore did you miss the lesson on how to speak to a woman?
Now, anyone who wants to be mean to me can piss off wnd go fuck themselves, which I am sure is what they’re doing because no woman would fuck such a lame mother fucker. Be gone, be well, and be far away from me and my reality. Peace.
My reply: People were being rude in the comments, accusing it of being a clickbait video. So my response is justified. Yes I will always call out rude entitled dudes on porn sites.
Again, this was FREE content, it has over 80k views so far, and again this is NOT a fetish community, and again I did not ask for feedback, and again on this platform feedback does not matter.
So, totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Great response to viewer feedback. Excellent.AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... ca0abea21a
Fuck anyone who gave this a thumbs down. I will remember that... cunts
Another free video. Clearly stated in description it was comedy. In no way relevant here. Feedback not needed or sought on that platform.
To everyone from the community, don't feel bad about yourselves, or anyone else here. This is a solid community that, for the most part, is functional and works well together. I'm proud and happy to have gotten to know y'all, and it's good to see your words every day I come by - even if I don't engage with y'all much. To creators who take the time and effort to create: Thank you. Thank you for your work, your time, and your understanding of how this community functions, and how the people in it are willing to engage and show appreciation.
Honest feedback and my own personal opinion. That video would have fun and cheeky had it been about 10% of it's actual running time. By the time it was over I felt browbeaten and pissed off and I was actually leaving feedback at that point so I wasn't even the intended audience. You can't be upset at people if they aren't able to pick up on your message when you aren't being direct. I feel like I'm pretty adept at picking things up but after the first minute or so I just felt attacked. I will say that performance wise, Ani was great but to me delivering that message seemed heavy handed. I feel a bit dumb for not recognizing what it was but that's not entirely on me.cbjoe wrote:Hi kingjeremy, I broadly agree with your reply. You made some valid points. Appreciated.
To anyone and everyone saying they were so offended/upset by the infamous "Where the f are my reviews" video I say this:
Where's your sense of humor? Guys! Lighten up, jeez!
It was a fun, original way to make a valid point that we know as a matter of record that many agree with -- even though in many cases conspicuous by their absence they sadly don't want to say so here.
Yup! I sure did say that. Want me to list off the rest of my fetishes/kinks, too? I'm not scared of admitting what does, and does not, turn me on. This is a fetish forum for goodness' sake, let's go:Ani Erotika wrote:What I sent you was exactly what you said you wanted. You said you like furry toy porn. Lithorien, you also said you fantasise about mom porn so please do not try to present yourself as some pure spirit whom I was trying to corrupt.
Here's an extract of what you wrote to me on 29th November as part of an exchange of several very long messages between us: "you have what seems to be some foot fetish stuff (my biggest kink - and my actual fetish, I almost can't get off without feet involved somehow) ... some 'mom' stuff, and I think I saw a thumbnail of you and a teddy bear (I am a furry who finds teddy bears exciting - no, I don't know why and yes I know it's messed up). So I will be looking into that stuff. ... I would like to say thank you. You're asking all these questions and seem to actually be listening to my answers. That's a wonderful feeling and I really appreciate it."
Ani, have you ever heard of ambivalence? Here, let me help you: "The state of having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas about something or someone." Now, let's look back into what I said in this thread: "This engagement stopped because I made a personal decision that I was uncomfortable with a content creator who engaged in actual beastiality, and so I ceased interaction - I wasn't about to make up reviews on things I have not seen, or push for the success of a content creator that I no longer believed in." Ani, I continued messaging you because for a few months, I was trying to fight that impulse to just walk away because I liked - very much - things you were doing. I've even said in this thread that I liked your robot work. And during the time period that I still wanted to support you more than I wanted to walk away from you, strangely enough, I thought you were one of the best in the genre - silly me.AniErotika wrote:But that's not true at all, is it. You were still messaging me MONTHS after you read that email, like on 10 February when you messaged me saying you wanted to "support you as my favorite creator and all-around good person". You also told me that the reason why you were not going to be around was because you had been struggling with your economics degree with "some of the hardest classes in my major ... I do apologize, I don't mean to make you think I'm ignoring you or anything... I wish you had a Patreon or something where we could have some kind of monthly subscription thing" Two-faced much?
So the only question is, were you lying then, or now? The two different stories you've told cannot both be the truth. Usually what people say in private is closest to the truth, so I deduce that your private messages to me about you struggling at college and struggling with money contained the truth about why you were no longer on MV. Do you lie to and about other content creators, too?
What you said here in public, you who secretly likes mom porn, that you were so repulsed by my petplay content that you wanted nothing more to do with me, is BS. You kept on sending me long messages, didn't you.
Ani... I know what I saw in that email, and those links. If it was a stuffed animal, I might have even enjoyed it. I wished to hell that it was just a stuffed animal because, for the umpteenth time, I liked your content. It absolutely sucked to have to acknowledge what I actually saw. Why the blue hell do you think I didn't say shit about it until this thread?AniErotika wrote:It is funny after all this you had the gall to try to blast me here as someone who "has actual sex with animals" (Lithorien, 17 April). Sir, I have NEVER done that. Ever. And more importantly, you know that. We discussed it. You're trying to smear me in an effort to justify your untenable position. Shame on you.
I have an extremely hard time believing this, Ani. I like to think that Robotman and Kishin are essentially honest folks, and that they would have come forward to state, "Hey, this is what actually happened here," one way or the other. That both have explicitly neglected to respond to your claims multiple times, well, what am I supposed to conclude?AniErotika wrote:"Her private messages to Kishin and - for a time - refusal to come forward with her own complaints. When Kishin and Robotman came out with, 'someone has made a complaint,' it put them in the crossfire and sowed a lot of dissent in this forum's community because people felt as if they were being attacked out of the blue, and Robotman took the brunt of it, fairly or not. That the forum would become incredibly riled up from an anonymous complaint from a 'content creator' is entirely forseeable, and the choice to go forward with that was deliberate."
Lithorien, I never asked Kishin, Robotman or anyone else to make my criticisms anonymous. Where did you hear that????????????? It's absolutely not true. Either you made this up, or you were misinformed. Which is it? Does neither Kishin or Robotman have anything to say to set this record straight? Why are they content to let this untruth stand uncorrected? Perhaps for whatever reason they gave people this impression and now feel unable to back out? They're reading this, so why so silent on the matter?
I NEVER asked for anonymity. When I sent people private messages, it was always ENTIRELY at their discretion whether or not to share it here. After private discussions and the activity here that followed woke me up to the depth of the problem, I then posted here to say my piece. How can you complain about me saying these things privately/anonymously, and then complain about me coming here and airing my concerns? You cannot have it both ways. I notice that you keep doing this, condemning me whatever I do, even when it contradicts what you've said previously. Try to be consistent. The contradictory attacks reveal that the purpose here is to attack me arbitrarily as part of a defence against legitimate criticism.
Actually, I never said a damn thing to Robotman. I didn't even know that Kishin was a moderator. Kish hit ME up about wanting content with panels and face off stuff. I barely even sent many messages to Kish. 1st time he messaged me was 25th October with a long detailed message about his sfx and cosmetics/prosthetics ideas for open-panels and face-offs with some pictures, and saying "Halloween is a perfect time for getting a panel for a face-off video..." elaborate, difficult, technical, involved production ideas, an investment of my time and finances, and I said I'd love to try doing it. On 21st November he said "thank you for the [free] video." One time when Kish hit me up (12 November) he asked me if I had ordered the mask yet, and... at my own wits end about this issue building up... I offloaded about how I was feeling onto him. Had no clue he was a mod. I was just venting. I sent him two very long videos, one in tears, very sincerely saying basically hey i need to vent if u wanna listen. I vented my frustration about reviews etc and the very inconsistent support from the community. One thing I complained about was directed at HIM (without me realising it was him) because he said he loved the vids in some reviews yet gave low star ratings for them.
Absolutely the best policy in my opinion and I think everyone knows you guys have the best intentions of everyone in mind here. It's unfortunate this has snowballed but I'm glad you are letting the thread continue. I feel like we are getting down to some important points in between the personal attacks and accusations. People's perceptions of what has been said or conveyed are important and hopefully we're better as a community after airing our grievances and hearing other people's stance. I'm over the vitriol at this point and I know you regret getting involved but as always you've shown yourself to be level headed and respectful when called out. That's a win in my book.Robotman wrote:As a policy, we err on the side of anonymity. The original complaint to Kishin did not come with any request to keep it anonymous, that's just how we handled it. My intention was always to make it about all content creators and not just Ani. I thoroughly regret the entire episode now, and see what a mistake it was to get involved.
Deep sad sigh.Lithorien wrote:Ani, have you ever heard of ambivalence? Here, let me help you: "The state of having mixed feelings or contradictory ideas..." Ani, I continued messaging you because for a few months, I was trying to fight that impulse to just walk away ... I thought you were one of the best in the genre - silly me.
I respect you for that honesty. You gotta surely realise how hard it is to have a positive outcome with someone who is, sorry if there is a nicer way of putting this, being two-faced?Lithorien wrote: ... I'll admit it, you're right - I did not tell you the entire truth there. ... and I'll apologize to you for not telling you everything going on in my head...
It was a stuffed animal.Lithorien wrote:Ani... I know what I saw in that email, and those links. If it was a stuffed animal, I might have even enjoyed it. I wished to hell that it was just a stuffed animal because, for the umpteenth time, I liked your content.
I know, right? I have told you the truth, sincerely, and I can prove it. I still have all the messages. There is no scope for confusion or misunderstanding about this. I simply did not request anonymity; on the contrary, I said it's ok to name me. In retrospect, I suspect they were right not to name me, because it got unpleasant when they did. They meant well.Lithorien wrote:I have an extremely hard time believing this, Ani. I like to think that Robotman and Kishin are essentially honest folks, and that they would have come forward to state, "Hey, this is what actually happened here," one way or the other. That both have explicitly neglected to respond to your claims multiple times, well, what am I supposed to conclude?
I did.Lithorien wrote:When you saw it was upsetting the community, and that Robotman and Kishin were taking heat for it, why didn't you speak up?
I did, as soon as I saw. And crucially I did not even realise until lately that there was that whole other thread where it was imploding like that.Lithorien wrote:When you saw it was upsetting the community, and that Robotman and Kishin were taking heat for it, why didn't you speak up?
Thanks for the nice things you said, then and now. I miss our messages.Lithorien wrote:You want brutal honesty, Ani? I wish you had never sent me that email. I wish I hadn't had three months of, "She makes good robot content, but I can't enjoy it. ..." God do I wish that, because I will still stand by and say that "I do not Wish to Die" was one of the best non-fetishy robot videos I've ever seen produced. So if you think I'm just "attacking" you for no reason, or even really "attacking" you at all, you're wrong. Ok - not completely wrong, to be fair my pornhub review responses post was pretty much a, "I'm sick of her (and cbjoe, whom I thought was you until ... Which was made more out of anger than anything else. The rest of this? I'm just disappointed, like I said to start with.
I had intended to explore that category once I reviewed your robot videos, when I was still exploring your work.Ani Erotika wrote:Deep sad sigh.
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Why haven't you tried any of my mom/son content if u like that????????????????? :( It's hot!!!!! Seriously. Very. Might be your loss as much as mine?? Amputating one's nose to spite one's face.
I seem to recall more than one link in the email (there were 4 IIRC), but I'll take your word on this. If that's actually the case, then what I saw wasn't what happened, and I need to deeply apologize for this thread. I swear up and down I saw some large-ish yellow dog in one of the links, but if what I saw was a stuffed animal, then I owe you a large apology and a lot of retraction. Since I couldn't restore my copy of the email with Recuva (I had long since deleted it from the mail server proper) and only have the SMTP logs and headers, I can't confirm my own memories here.Ani Erotika wrote:It was a stuffed animal.
Lithorien, HERE is the exact stuffed animal video I was offering to send you for free when I wrote in the 1 email I sent u "Vid 4 is the one I want you to see"
So, it is actually a stuffed animal. It was unpublished on MV for being too naughty. It was my fastest-selling video on there in the few hours it was up lol so u r not alone in the furry thing. I copied and pasted that out of the email I sent you. Ok?
Yeah. Me too.Ani Erotika wrote:Thanks for the nice things you said, then and now. I miss our messages.