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Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:42 pm
by The Thinker
Hello Ani.

I bought a couple of your videos.

Your first one was quite good. I liked the setup, the outfit and your acting was pretty good too.

I also bought one more, the effort you put into it was good and I couldn't really find any faults with it per se, it just, didn't really click with me for some reason. It wasn't to my tastes.
I didn't give any feedback because I really felt like I didn't have much helpful to offer really. I don't log on very often, let alone write reviews.
I'm trying to change that though. If there is one thing you did well it's bringing to my attention the effort that goes into making the videos and how hard it can be.

Ani, you should leave us behind. Focus on something else. Move forward. Coming back again and again frustrated and angry won't make this any better for you or us. I think that's one mistake you shouldn't have made, get so hung up on us. If you'll forgive me for being blunt: I think it did come off a bit obsessive and I think it probably turned many customers off.

That being said, I think the community really needs to think about how it looks to content creators and to be a bit more appreciative when someone is willing to bend over backwards to appeal to us. This is not a large community and there are not many content creators who will cater to us. Ani's complaints are legitimate all things considered.

I'm very disappointed that it has come to this point, we should all learn from this tbh.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:50 pm
by cbjoe
I feel obliged to respond to some of the responses above, and not just because I'm a gentleman who will always aid an damsel-bot in distress. [See what I did there?]

On a serious note: it's symptomatic of the issue we're discussing, that of all the countless people who have watched some and in many cases all of your videos until recently, many who are on this very forum, not ONE was has been man enough to swim against the current and stuck up for this girl against the tsunami of unpleasantness, or even just acknowledge that, hey, some of us do like some of your content. Really? Not one of you, huh? So it falls to me to make an account and do it myself, then. It's lamentable. It doesn't have to be this toxic when we disagree, folks. I have to go back in time to find the truth e.g. on 28 Jun when user Quietness welcomed Ani E's engagement with this forum, "She's joined the site and seems very open to constructive feedback and ideas."

Please allow me to respond to some comments that I think are characteristic of replies on this thread, having now spent some time considering and investigating this unfortunate business.

AmpFetish

"If you make good content, people will buy and engage. If you don't, they won't." (AmpFetish)

AmpFetish, you evidently haven't been following this closely enough to offer any insight; otherwise, you would know that (a) people ARE buying, but sadly NOT engaging. Indeed, this has been the whole point of all the constructive negative feedback posted in this forum by Ani E. Unfortunately, you missed the point, therefore you're complaining about something that is not the case.

To clarify, the LACK of engagement and interaction, particularly with regard to reviews, has been Ani E's grievance all along. Anyone who has properly read any one of her messages should be able to see that.

"I've always been put off by your need of approval by us."

Again, you've missed the point, which impedes intelligent discussion about the issues raised by the OP.

Ani E has been seeking REVIEWS, and feedback, from the community. This is abundantly in from any of her messages on the topic on this forum. Reviews and feedback do not necessarily need to be "approval". What made you think Ani E is seeking approval? If someone feels this content creator seeks their approval, that's demonstrably incorrect, and I suspect this misinformed dynamic would reveal rather more about the person wielding their "approval" than it does about Ani E who has certainly not sought anybody's "approval" on this forum.

Having re-read all of her messages to date, I can assure you that you are mistaken.

"But you kept taking things in weird directions and doing acid-trip style freakouts that confused me." (AmpFetish)

FINALLY! This is all she was asking for! Some feedback. Thank you! I'm sure Ani E will take this on board. If only you had mentioned this months ago when she posted the first trippy video, perhaps. You only have yourself to blame for failing to flag something you didn't like. She was here asking you, and she always asks everyone who buys a video for their opinion, too. I hope you will concede that this is entirely your failing, and not hers. Sorry, harsh, but true.

"And then you did that malfunction video where you were repeating 'Where the fuck are my reviews' and it was painful to watch. Especially since it was you doing a pretty good malfunction" (AmpFetish)

Again, this is great feedback, but you're missing the point again. The whole point of that video was a creative way to raise her legitimate concerns about the lack of feedback and reviews, after trying on this forum for a long period without success. Wasn't it obvious? I thought it was obvious.

"but your fixation on approval and reviews weirded me out." (AmpFetish)

Again, this had nothing to do with approval; what was clearly being asked for all along was feedback. Could it be that what weirded you out was that the truth hurts? If someone couldn't be bothered to post a quick review for a girl who is making content in their genre, as happens in every other genre, perhaps being called out on it makes them feel uncomfortable? I remember that vid. It was quite obviously designed to have that impact, it was kind of the whole point.

"I think Ani has been rude and weird with us" (AmpFetish)

I strongly disagree. You have been rude, and weird. Ani E has only been here to try to resolve what appears to be a legitimate issue with this community, and has been greeted by unwarranted hostility and disrespect.

On 26 Nov you wrote a forum post saying "I think 90% of filmed videos just suck. And I think the community knows this too." So yeah, I'm sure content creators get that you are unappreciative and ungrateful. The title of another thread you joined "Fembot Patreon a failure and is closing down" says it all, too.

I've also seen posts in which you express disappointment with the lack of creative/novel content. Ani E tried new things, and she was blasted for it in this thread by several of you. She did her best, but was unaware if she was going too far off piste - because nobody bothered to give her the feedback she needed!!!!! YOUR FAULT not hers. She did ask for your help. But you feel dollars are enough.If dollars are enough and refuse to engage, you lose the right to complain when creators make content that is not what you want, that is not what you could not be bothered to tell them you didn't want. Or by the same token when they don't make the content you did want, but failed to tell them you wanted.

In summary, I believe that AmpFetish has grossly missed the point, and is moreover mistaken about the issue being raised by the OP. The tone of his reply seems unduly hostile.


Kano

"I'm starting to get fed up with 'us' being blamed for lack of feedback. We've been down this road before." (Kano)

The statistics are clear. This is a problem found in this genre and not others. Who else should we blame? It's a pathology that is systemic and endemic within this community. That is why you have been down this road before.

"What I like, someone else may hate." (Kano)

EXACTLY! Now, that definitely is a challenge facing content creators in this genre. But that is NOT the root cause of the problem raised by the OP.

"when I see something I hate, I keep quiet because that may be 100% what someone else likes" (Kano)


Now we're getting somewhere. May I make a humble suggestion? Could you try crediting content creators with at least as much intelligence as you yourself possess? They will know it is your opinion. If you can't manage that, just tell them "this is my opinion". This solution is so obvious, one begins to suspect that this is merely your excuse for failing to engage with content creators. Whatever works for you. Whatever the excuses we all invent for our lack of engagement, it is a problem that we must overcome -- as individuals and as a community.


Barbarella

"You indirectly attacked the same people spending cash on your videos" (Barbarella)

Oh dear. You missed the point. It was not about the cash. Other genres are more lucrative. Ani E wanted to contribute to THIS genre. She tried. She experimented. Nobody bothered to tell her what they thought. Now all of a sudden we hear they didn't like the directions she was trying -- well you failed to inform her despite her seeking your opinion thus the problem here is your fault, not hers. One of my favourite movies, that, incidentally: Barbarella.

I've also seen posts in which you express disappointment with the lack of creative/novel content. Ani E tried new things, and she was blasted for it in this thread by several of you. She did her best, but was unaware if she was going too far off piste - because nobody bothered to give her the feedback she needed!!!!! YOUR FAULT not hers.

Zerodin

"spoiled-ass videos" (zerodin)

Do we have to be so sarcastic and rude? You're proving her point. Why should anyone make content for someone like this?

"Its not our fault that your videos didn't appeal to the majority of the user base here." (zerodin)

Dude, the videos were selling. That was not the problem. All the smart mouthed answers here blatantly miss the point. You're in denial about genuine problems. And therein lies the crux of the problem at hand.

Lithorien

"everything else seems ancillary to that." (Lithorien)

No, where are you getting this information? Ani E has output a variety of genres in even balance. What may be confusing you is that like others you chronically ignored the real issue, which eventually drove her away from making content for you.

"I know that particular revelation made me rather uncomfortable and drove me away from her in general" (Lithorien)

What revelation? She's been making the same sort of content all along, before during and after entering the fembot arena. Either you like her fembot videos, or you don't. People who like one fetish don't have to also approve of another. No genre judges another like this one. You guys have a real problem. Sorry we can't all be perfect and wholesome like you. Again, clearly some of these people don't deserve to have creators making content in their genre.

"The only person at fault was the one trying to create a schism between people here" (Lithorien)

With all due respect, that is a ridiculous statement. Please cite what evidence you have for reaching the conclusion that Ani E has "tried" to create a schism between people here?

In an older forum post you accurately conceded regarding her "where the f are my reviews" vid that you and this community are "all aware that it was a tongue-in-cheek response/admonishment". It was an ingenious and creative way to engage with the community about this, and actually a darn good clip IMHO. As you then said yourself: she "could be a top creator." You also commended her for "asking for reviews" saying it was "all that was needed." But it wasn't, was it, because it seems you yourself never got around to delivering what you promised.

I found a review you wrote on one of her videos, accepting that there is a lack of engagement from the community and promising that you would go back and review all of the previous vids that you had watched and enjoyed. How did that go? I found no other reviews by you. Typical. Talk is cheap.

On 28 Nov you called one of her videos "perfect". But earlier, on 24 Nov, on this same forum you wrote a forum post here that clearly demonstrates that YOU are disillusioned with content creators who you try to engage with but do not wish to engage with you or the community: "none of them [creators] are around anymore... [ever wondered why] ... with a 20% success rate, why should I engage with creators who are showing they don't want to engage with us?" Ani E came here to engage with you, didn't she Lith, and take a good hard look how YOU and others welcomed her. With you, content creators cannot win. You change your tune like the wind, criticising them for not engaging, the criticising them when they do engage. It's pathological, dude. Admit it.

You complained that your "dollar votes" should be enough, so really you had no intention of keeping your word, did you. You have made it crystal clear that you feel you should not have to do any more for creators than hand over dollars. (Heaven forbid that one of them is not just here for money, like Ani E.) So you whined about the creators not engaging with you (on your terms) while bitching about not wanting to engage with them! HYPOCRISY MUCH?

I've also seen posts in which you express disappointment with the lack of creative/novel content. Ani E tried new things, and she was blasted for it in this thread by several of you. She did her best, but was unaware if she was going too far off piste - because nobody bothered to give her the feedback she needed!!!!! YOUR FAULT not hers.


TheShoveller - reasonable points, nothing to add.


StephanieBot - "the lack of reviews/feedback that they're likely to get" yes this is a specific problem in this genre.


JeffCapes - "it had a 7 minute trippy video in it with. WTF? Why am I paying for this?" Why did you not pass on this valuable feedback? For the record, I know the video and it was a full, normal length video subtracting the trippy ending which I recall was noted in the video's description on MV as something experimental. I guess you didn't check the description?

You gave constructive feedback on 8 Aug then disappeared.


Uncom - "I'd like to advise you not to rely on feedback from fetish communities too much" You're contradicting yourself, and missing the point. This is the fetish community that fails to engage. The others have their own, different problems. Accept the issues within your community, and with you as an individual content consumer. Stop making excuses, try not to be so defensive, and actually listen.

Do you want good content, or not? If you want content you like, you need to engage and disclose what you like and do not like. If you don't give the feedback, you have no leg to stand on when the issue comes to a head to say "but I didn't like the content". It's irrational. So much else is wrong in what you wrote above, I barely know where to begin.











The Conclusion

Importantly, this forum thread is a case study in a community that is unable to face up to a very real problem that it has. It's a shame, because Ani E has taken reasonable, even creative, steps to raise the issue. This is a community/genre/fetish with a real problem, with certain members in a state of chronic and pathological denial. It's harming the community. Guys, if you want something specific, you talk about buying, well put your money where your mouth is and order a custom video and you'll get what you wanted. Whining is not constructive. How sad that this chick's efforts to engage with you looks close to collapsing into a flame war against her. Shame on the guys who did that.

Ani E, I have just ordered another $350 custom video. You can keep making content just for me. I paid extra for exclusive because some of these dudes don't deserve it. Some of them really are philistines who don't appreciate your art. But some of us do appreciate aspects of the work you do.

I'm now going back to re-watch the hooker scenes in Westernworld (again).

Having set the record straight, I now consider this matter closed. Thank you.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:10 pm
by Lithorien
cbjoe wrote:Lithorien

"everything else seems ancillary to that." (Lithorien)

No, where are you getting this information? Ani E has output a variety of genres in even balance. What may be confusing you is that like others you chronically ignored the real issue, which eventually drove her away from making content for you.
I stated that everything seems ancillery to her zoophilia videos because after I had engaged with her on ManyVids (including in private messages), I revealed that I was a furry. She then took that and mentioned zoophilia, and asked me for my email address, whereupon she sent me an email with links to a Google Drive account containing explicit beastiality videos and an offer to sell them off-site because they were not allowed on MV. I neither replied nor engaged with any of that content (furry =/= beastiality; it's not my thing at all), but the speed and insistance she had in trying to get me to engage showed me she values her zoophilia folks more than anything else available.
cbjoe wrote:"I know that particular revelation made me rather uncomfortable and drove me away from her in general" (Lithorien)

What revelation? She's been making the same sort of content all along, before during and after entering the fembot arena. Either you like her fembot videos, or you don't. People who like one fetish don't have to also approve of another. No genre judges another like this one. You guys have a real problem. Sorry we can't all be perfect and wholesome like you. Again, clearly some of these people don't deserve to have creators making content in their genre.
The revelation that she performed explicit beastiality videos. That revelation. And you're right in that you can like some content while disliking other content - or some people can - but as it was a personal reaction, it's not like you can argue that I was "wrong" to be pushed away from someone making content I found to be immoral and in many jurisdictions, illegal. The judgement I had was entirely personal, and I didn't breathe a word of it to anyone else specifically because I did not want to be prejudicial if she hadn't exposed that side of herself to others, and it wasn't my place to go, "Hey, this content creator you like has actual sex with animals." If me having a personal, secret, reaction bothers you that much, well, tough.
cbjoe wrote:"The only person at fault was the one trying to create a schism between people here" (Lithorien)

With all due respect, that is a ridiculous statement. Please cite what evidence you have for reaching the conclusion that Ani E has "tried" to create a schism between people here?
Her private messages to Kishin and - for a time - refusal to come forward with her own complaints. When Kishin and Robotman came out with, "someone has made a complaint," it put them in the crossfire and sowed a lot of dissent in this forum's community because people felt as if they were being attacked out of the blue, and Robotman took the brunt of it, fairly or not. That the forum would become incredibly riled up from an anonymous complaint from a "content creator" is entirely forseeable, and the choice to go forward with that was deliberate.
cbjoe wrote:In an older forum post you accurately conceded regarding her "where the f are my reviews" vid that you and this community are "all aware that it was a tongue-in-cheek response/admonishment". It was an ingenious and creative way to engage with the community about this, and actually a darn good clip IMHO. As you then said yourself: she "could be a top creator." You also commended her for "asking for reviews" saying it was "all that was needed." But it wasn't, was it, because it seems you yourself never got around to delivering what you promised.

I found a review you wrote on one of her videos, accepting that there is a lack of engagement from the community and promising that you would go back and review all of the previous vids that you had watched and enjoyed. How did that go? I found no other reviews by you. Typical. Talk is cheap.
Yes. And I stand by that - it was tounge in cheek, and frankly, amusing. It was clever, if a bit over the top, and I appreciated what she was trying to put across to the community. I was happy that she had come forward on her own with complaints... still am, actually, because it led to open discussions with the person who was actually upset and not a strawman they used to put out a message.

As for reviews, I highly encourage you to check again. Specifically,

Robot Evelyn- i do not want to die
Robo Wife: Mortal Malfunction Glitch-out
Shirley Extreme Full Out Malfunction
Bring Bianca Home- TEST robo robot vid
FUN FREEBIE OWN UR OWN FEMBOT ADVERT - Though this would be the one you were referencing, and I would point out, "I will be going through your other videos as time and money allows."

Strange that, in a couple months, I engaged with a couple videos per month. Because I'm not made of money - but I found enough to scrape up for $20-$30 a month here or there. And I did exactly what I said I would do - I didn't have previous videos to review at the time because I didn't go to her ManyVids page until after she started asking for reviews. But do please continue trying to misrepresent me as the bad guy here, it's actually funny.
cbjoe wrote:On 28 Nov you called one of her videos "perfect". But earlier, on 24 Nov, on this same forum you wrote a forum post here that clearly demonstrates that YOU are disillusioned with content creators who you try to engage with but do not wish to engage with you or the community: "none of them [creators] are around anymore... [ever wondered why] ... with a 20% success rate, why should I engage with creators who are showing they don't want to engage with us?" Ani E came here to engage with you, didn't she Lith, and take a good hard look how YOU and others welcomed her. With you, content creators cannot win. You change your tune like the wind, criticising them for not engaging, the criticising them when they do engage. It's pathological, dude. Admit it.
I engaged her exactly as she wanted. Through public reviews of videos that I purchased just for the purposes of review, private messages where we discussed her videos, my preferences, etc., and participation to get her voted up in ManyVids contests to try to get her exposure there as well. This engagement stopped because I made a personal decision that I was uncomfortable with a content creator who engaged in actual beastiality, and so I ceased interaction - I wasn't about to make up reviews on things I have not seen, or push for the success of a content creator that I no longer believed in. I still think she has the capability to make good content, and haven't actually said anything to the contrary. What I told her in our engagements isn't invalidated because I decided that I wasn't OK with supporting a zoophile.
cbjoe wrote:You complained that your "dollar votes" should be enough, so really you had no intention of keeping your word, did you. You have made it crystal clear that you feel you should not have to do any more for creators than hand over dollars. (Heaven forbid that one of them is not just here for money, like Ani E.) So you whined about the creators not engaging with you (on your terms) while bitching about not wanting to engage with them! HYPOCRISY MUCH?

I've also seen posts in which you express disappointment with the lack of creative/novel content. Ani E tried new things, and she was blasted for it in this thread by several of you. She did her best, but was unaware if she was going too far off piste - because nobody bothered to give her the feedback she needed!!!!! YOUR FAULT not hers.
Since I suspect this long winded rant and response is just Ani under a different name, I'll conclude with this: I spent money that I didn't really have to help show an up and coming content creator that there were people who wanted to engage and be involved. I left reviews, as requested, and had conversations, as requested, in order to provide feedback and engage. I never outed Ani as a zoophile to anyone, even after I had made the decision to disengage with her because of a personal belief that some of her content was immoral. If those actions lead "cbjoe" or anyone else to consider me negatively, then I will happily be considered that way.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:20 am
by cbjoe
@Lthorien I can confirm that I am not Ani, and Robotman is mistaken, this is fact not an alt account, this is the first time I have ever posted here. Evidently, IP addresses, user agent strings, etc, can be misleading. I'm a dude. I've been following this forum for some time albeit without posting.

IMHO it's ungentlemanly for a guy to discuss one's private correspondence with a girl. You might want to consider redacting that slightly.

I'll respond to your points later when I have a chance to give it the attention it deserves.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:36 am
by smalk
cbjoe wrote: I've been following this forum for some time albeit without posting
From the public information of your account: Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:30 pm.

When I thought this could not go worse, you corrected me.

Please, stop posting in this forum. Make peace. Even if in your mind you think that correcting people or showing your logic will bring you something... in reality is going to only make things worse.

Make peace with the fact the we all like different things. Make peace that this is not your fault. Make pace with yourself.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:28 am
by Uncom
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Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:02 am
by cbjoe
smalk wrote:
cbjoe wrote:From the public information of your account: Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:30 pm.
Your mistaken assumption that you need to be a registered member in order to post?

You guys seem a little... paranoid/suspicious/cynical.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:06 am
by cbjoe
Uncom wrote:"I get that this community can be extremely quiet and feel unsupportive, trust me, I've been there myself. It's just that this fetish is too divided to appeal to everyone. I think everybody who isn't Fection has exprienced a lack of feedback over their years.
I agree with that evaluation.

All of my original points still stand, but I think you may have misunderstood certain aspects of what I was saying, especially if you feel I was highlighting you as a particularly good example of the problem that I believe led to the creation of this thread.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:30 am
by AmpFetish
Name one other creator who has caused this much of a problem. I purchased many of Ani’s videos and engaged in a long private conversation with her on ManyVids to contribute feedback. But it didn’t go anywhere. Ludella Hahn, Hypnolust, XXX Multimedia, Sweet Delilah, and many many others always receive tons of support and purchases. But people only get feedback when it’s warranted.

This is a very lively friendly community that acknowledges the weirdness that is our fetish, but wants to have kinky fun anyways. We’re supportive and grateful towards people that make content that we like. We didn’t like this lady’s content, and now WE are the assholes. Whaaaaa?

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:54 am
by cbjoe
AmpFetish wrote:Name one other creator who has caused this much of a problem. I purchased many of Ani’s videos and engaged in a long private conversation with her on ManyVids to contribute feedback. But it didn’t go anywhere.
The problem is not Ani E's efforts to constructively engage here. The problem is the toxic reaction from a small but vocal minority of you guys.

Ani E hasn't caused any problems. You guys are the ones posting spiteful comments and debating whether she's caused a schism. There was no catalyst required for this reaction to occur. From her side, this was a sincere effort to engage. From your side, some of you turned it into something unpleasant. The toxicity in all of this is entirely one sided, it's from within the community. One content creator posting a couple of replies could not cause "this much of a problem" and would not be able to in a healthy community.
AmpFetish wrote:"We’re supportive and grateful towards people that make content ... and now WE are the assholes."
If you believe that, then you have a grossly warped and distorted view of what is supportive.

In your own words, this is the great job you've convinced yourself you're doing of supporting content creators: "I think 90% of filmed videos just suck. And I think the community knows this too." (AmpFetish)

Does AmpFetish sound like an "asshole" when he talks about content and its creators? I will leave that to the reader to judge. I think the majority of objective observers will agree with my conclusions, so much so that I need not spell it out.

Many in this community are, indeed, supportive of creators. Conversely, you, AmpFetish, and a small number of others who chimed in on this thread, are doing the polar opposite of that. You're poisoning the community, and deterring creators. When presented with the facts, you switch to a state of indignant denial. But read your own words on this very forum, the truth is undeniable.

Dudes like Amp are literally destroying this genre for everyone. Unfortunately, he's too self-righteous, and too passive-aggressive, to face the harsh truth. It's one of the reasons why he was offended by Ani E's perfectly reasonable appeal for feedback. Here in the echo chamber of this forum, he finds enough support to sustain his distorted, entitled view of this unique corner of kink and his place in it.

I wrote this after careful consideration, and with all due respect.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:46 am
by hyperspace51
Can we be done?
It’s done.
She’s stated she’s done.
This is a Fetish site.
Robots are fucking hot.
Metroid Prime 4 is coming out
We are getting Avengers Endgame.
Game of Thrones is back.
Master Chief collection is coming to PC.
Life is good :)

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:49 am
by AmpFetish
Cbjoe, I don’t know why you think a few posts on here completely define my character, but you’re getting really aggressive here. I think it’s agreeable that 90% of anything sucks. I was making a point that most content doesn’t do it for most people. Most people that attempt content don’t hit that high bar set by the best artists on here that “get it”. I don’t see why we have to buy and support things that don’t work.

I purchased and supported 75% of Ani’s content (literally gave her around 100$) hoping that her enthusiasm for it would eventually make her great for the genre. I even had a very nice half-hour chat with her about the community and tried to give her tips as to what works and what doesn’t. I even gave her video references. But as time went on, she still came across as pushy and wouldn’t let the whole thing go.

Also, most people don’t have the time of day to dedicate all day to a kink. Most people wanna boot up their computer, see something, and then resume with their life. I try my hardest to engage with everyone here and be excited and supportive for things when I can. But maybe you’re right, Cbjoe, maybe I am a passive aggressive toxic asshole that is literally destroying the genre for everyone.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:07 am
by cbjoe
AmpFetish wrote:But as time went on, she still came across as pushy and wouldn’t let the whole thing go.
You're entitled to your opinion. We must agree to disagree about your opinion that she was in any way pushy. It seems to me that what you see as "didn't let it go" was in fact her raising the issue here again a couple of times, in a measured way, with a considerable wait between posts.

She evidently wants to make content for this genre, but needs the community to be more on board -- on bar with all other genres. That is all I got from her messages. It all seems pretty reasonable to me, and I think the one and only reason why certain people got all butt hurt and vicious about it is because the harsh truths she was telling hit a raw nerve for those people.

There was no reason for her to be attacked the way she was. It was not called for. It was rather unpleasant.

I'm just telling you how it really is. No offence.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:42 pm
by Sweet Delilah
This Unit feels overwhelmed and perplexed by this post and it's many replies, as I have just come across it and do not know the performer in question well. But it does motivate me to say:

To anyone who has ever reached out, given me feedback both positive and negative, or bought my files:
THANK YOU.

Feedback is always appreciated but never required, in this Unit's opinion. I am thankful for this community and the privilege to have an outlet for a kink I hold so dear.

This Unit also appreciates all the effort you have put into building the community, RobotMan.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:54 pm
by Toastdroid
Lithorien wrote:I stated that everything seems ancillery to her zoophilia videos because after I had engaged with her on ManyVids (including in private messages), I revealed that I was a furry. She then took that and mentioned zoophilia, and asked me for my email address, whereupon she sent me an email with links to a Google Drive account containing explicit beastiality videos and an offer to sell them off-site because they were not allowed on MV. I neither replied nor engaged with any of that content (furry =/= beastiality; it's not my thing at all), but the speed and insistance she had in trying to get me to engage showed me she values her zoophilia folks more than anything else available.
what the actual fuck

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:48 pm
by Lithorien
Sweet Delilah wrote:This Unit feels overwhelmed and perplexed by this post and it's many replies, as I have just come across it and do not know the performer in question well. But it does motivate me to say:

To anyone who has ever reached out, given me feedback both positive and negative, or bought my files:
THANK YOU.

Feedback is always appreciated but never required, in this Unit's opinion. I am thankful for this community and the privilege to have an outlet for a kink I hold so dear.

This Unit also appreciates all the effort you have put into building the community, RobotMan.
Thank you, Dee. I know we've engaged in conversation before, and you've been an absolute pleasure to deal with every time. I hope you're doing well, and thank you for all your new work. It's positively wonderful.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:50 am
by cbjoe
Sweet Delilah wrote:To anyone who has ever reached out, given me feedback both positive and negative, or bought my files:
THANK YOU.. Feedback... never required.
What a pleasure to see positive vibes surfacing.

I've picked up a couple of Sweet Delilah's clips myself.

This raises a very important point, about the key differences between platforms used by content creators today.

Sweet Delilah, for example, trades primarily on Clips4Sale and Nightflirt.

While Ani E has a presence on C4S and, I gather from our conversations continues to generate healthy sales there of her fembot content - all of which is available there (as well as other genres):

Ani E has worked hard to attain and sustain a high-rank on ManyVids, where engagement with customers is much more important and reviews are essential. A key benefit to MVs platform is that creators have more control over price and can offer better deals - especially for longer videos. Clips4Sale's pricing model pressurises creators to make shorter vids, and incentivizes customers to buy shorter clips. It's not ideal for a creator to work within this constraint.

In summary: content creators who have a serious presence on ManyVids as a platform do require feedback.

Ani E rewards feedback with treats and further interaction, so it's not a one-way street expecting something for nothing. (I know her in IRL and in person, not just on MV!)

I would therefore encourage consumers of fembot content to try to understand and embrace other platforms. It can only be good for the genre.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:21 am
by Stephaniebot
I've got to say that in 'chats' about matters with both Delilah, and Ani, I've found both an absolute delight to talk to. I've also talked things through with some very nice guys on here as well, I should add.
Not that at the wrong side of 60 (just), I'm planning on making any videos, and my modest little laptop would have fits at doing long audio pieces, capacity wise. But yes, if any content creator ever wants anyone prepared to 'dress up/interface' with a full body robot suit (face hidden, believe me), I might come out of retirement, lol, but that would be only way! :lol:

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:25 am
by cbjoe
Sweet Delilah wrote:To anyone who has ever reached out, given me feedback both positive and negative, or bought my files:
THANK YOU.. Feedback... never required.
Remember: content creators who have a serious presence on ManyVids as a platform do require feedback.

Ani E's Clips4Sale store: Global Rank 682 (out of >30k creators)

Sweet D's Clips4Sale store: her Global Rank is orders of magnitude lower, despite regular uploads of amazing content.

Ani E's MV store: MV Girl rank 154, monthly rank 132 (out of 50k creators). [would be HIGHER if she had not made fembot content, the lack of reviews very measurably held her back]

Sweet D's MV rank: N/A.

Conclusion: clearly, feedback/reviews make a HUGE difference, especially on a new Web 2.0 platform like MV.

I put it to this community that Sweet D is being held back by making content for this community. This community because of the feedback issue and other issues is a weight around the neck of a content creator. Rank is directly proportional to income. Sweet D could be making multiple times the income that she is, IF she stopped making content for you guys and instead focused on other genres! Luckily, for some like Ani E and Sweet D, it is not just about the money. That's why they were here. But success on their chosen platform(s) DOES enable creators to create more and better content -- something that AmpFetish and many others here have been calling for!

You want better sfx, panels etc? Then dude stop whining about it and actually support creators in the ways they DO REQUIRE on their chosen platform(s). Then you will have all that and more. Feedback doesn't even cost you a cent. There's no excuse for consistently refusing to leave reviews, and making lame ass excuses about it, tbh.

Do you guys want more content? Good quality content? You keep saying so. Why doesn't Sweet D make more content? She uploads on average less than one new vid per month. With her talents she could be doing this full time! If only it was as successful as other genres. Oh, but you guys want FREE content huh? I have seen folks say that on here, and why do we need to leave reviews when there's free content out there? Are you that cheap? Yet you do buy content.

This genre is what the community makes it. People who like to watch fembot content will only get the genre that they deserve. I know that AmpFetish claims he has "NEVER" yet watched a fembot video that he likes all the way through from start to end (excluding Fection's superb mini contributions). AmpFetish says he only likes about 10% of videos in this genre!!!! Just let those stats sink in for a minute. [Sorry, Amp, to use you as an example, but you are a very instructive case study.] People here like Amp have said they want more engagement and complained about not enough engagement with creators, but when the engagement comes they attack it and say "why should I engage?" So, you demand engagement from contributors as and when it suits you, but actually refuse to reciprocate thus shutting down that feedback loop you asked for. YOU are the problem. The creators are not the problem. This is self-evident in countless messages on this forum that I could cite.

Conclusion:

This genre will get exactly the content that it deserves. If you guys are happy with the content, great. If not, then do something about it. The folks attacking Ani E are openly dissatisfied with the content on offer!!!!!! Yet they literally cannot be arsed to do anything about it when given the chance. It's extremely lame, guys.


Ani E came to you guys wanting to fix the main criticisms that you all keep bitching about. All she needed in return was some support that would have cost you nothing, reviews and some of that engagement you said you wanted. The reaction from the community was to attack her. Why? If you are truly honest, it's because (as many expressed) you did not WANT to help and you felt you did not HAVE to help. So, stop complaining and accept what you have got, because you reap what you sow.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:31 am
by Lithorien
Here's the thing. You, Ani/cbjoe, can come here and talk about feedback and how "this community" treats creators all you want. You can even be an utter ass and try to convince other content creators not to stay here when they're perfectly happy and well supported by the community. But you need to remember, Ani, your comments to people who do leave feedback (and you did consider simple likes and dislikes feedback, after all) show a pattern. Namely: The problem isn't with the communities you are in - it's with you.
AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... b17ef1cb58

wtf is the deal with people and the thumbs downs on this platform? this is a free video of me fucking a horse cock dildo and a dog cock dildo and half of you gave it a thumbs down?! what ungreatful cunts.
Way to take that feedback on board here. It's awesome seeing a content creator who craves feedback calling people leaving feedback "ungr[ate]ful cunts." You don't get defensive, do you, Ani?
AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... 34b9bba428

i just wrote a long message for this stream and it magically got deleted when i posted it. wtf.just wanted to say the amazing amounts of thumbs down i have gotten here for posting fun free sexy videos is a real insult and slap in the face. makes me not want anythig to do with it here and DEF makes me not want to share one more damn thing free. it has made me feel most unwelcome, unappreciated, and quite frankly... insulted. lol... i get the hint. i dont stay where im unwant
You beg for feedback. But it seems like all you want is positive feedback - you talk yourself up so much, but when people show a dislike for what you're creating, you immediately go on the defensive and find countless ways to reject valid criticisms and honest feedback. Or is the PornHub community as "toxic" as you claim this one is?
AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... a3c0d37263

There are so many ‘men’ out there who are no more then rude, angry, uncouth, insatiable little boys. It’s truly depressing. If you don’t like the video then ok move on to the next you spent not one penny on this so no loss to you just soft on ahead and watch something else. Don’t bring your crass petty insults into my world. You do not get to treat me like shit, you hear me? You don’t even exist. You are hot air and dust.

All comments have been removed, sorry about removing the ones who commented something nice. the hateful shit flung at me for sharing this video for free has been astronomical, and no doubt by men with no real worthy qualities a man should have. The caliber of a ‘man’ who calls a woman a pos because she shared something for free is disgraceful. For shame. Didn’t you learn how to respect others even as a c***d? Furthermore did you miss the lesson on how to speak to a woman?

Now, anyone who wants to be mean to me can piss off wnd go fuck themselves, which I am sure is what they’re doing because no woman would fuck such a lame mother fucker. Be gone, be well, and be far away from me and my reality. Peace.
Getting really upset and defensive about your zoophile videos there, Ani. Are you sure you want to question how I, and others, know which crowd you prioritize over any other? And, wow, it seems like that honest feedback where people were expressing how they felt about your video... wasn't actually what you wanted after all. You even went so far as to delete it! This is really poking a lot of holes in your case, Ani/cbjoe, where you're trying to paint this community as so horrible and toxic about feedback ... it seems like you just have an issue when the feedback isn't unadultered praise for you.
AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... ca0abea21a

Fuck anyone who gave this a thumbs down. I will remember that... cunts
Great response to viewer feedback. Excellent.



To everyone from the community, don't feel bad about yourselves, or anyone else here. This is a solid community that, for the most part, is functional and works well together. I'm proud and happy to have gotten to know y'all, and it's good to see your words every day I come by - even if I don't engage with y'all much. To creators who take the time and effort to create: Thank you. Thank you for your work, your time, and your understanding of how this community functions, and how the people in it are willing to engage and show appreciation.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:52 am
by SciFiGuy333
cbjoe,

You should've come forward as Ani's husband from the beginning of this. It's understandable that you would be defensive and want to defend your wife, I would do the same thing. Unless you're concern trolling at this point, you aren't doing yourself or your point any favors. Statements claiming members here aren't objective are very hard to take seriously when you couldn't be any less objective unless you were Ani herself.

That being said, the point of lack of feedback, especially here is a valid one. It is brought up occasionally in the production of fembot videos and in the stories and art sections here. The problem is that you can't make people participate if they don't want to or feel like they shouldn't. I used to run a site dedicated to reviewing content for fembot videos, cam girls and phone sex providers and would get bummed about the lack of feedback I would get from people. My visitor counts were decent when I would drop a new review but there was very little engagement. Now was that because my site was shit and people took the approach that not saying anything at all rather than telling me that my work wasn't any good was the polite thing to do? Possibly. Maybe they couldn't be bothered. Some content creators would contact me and ask me to post their new videos because they noticed a small uptick in sales following a review. So there seemed to be some correlation between what I was doing and what it was intended for. I wouldn't always post a review for their stuff though because I only reviewed videos that I enjoyed or if I didn't care for it but thought that there was an audience who would in our community. I wasn't really providing feedback for "bad" videos. So I myself am guilty of not giving feedback but it made me understand why maybe I wasn't receiving any for what I felt was my own hard work and I think that helped me press on, for a time anyway. In a perfect world you, I and everyone who wanted honest feedback would get it but obviously the world isn't perfect.

I supported Ani's work at the beginning, bought videos, left reviews, although I had to go back and leave some after the first round of her asking for reviews. I stopped after the "Where the fuck are my reviews" video though. I see some members were able to see through the absolute rude and obnoxious way that video was presented for what the video was intended to be. I didn't. I was offended. That's on me for not being able to discern what the real message of that video was. But if you really did want more reviews you went about that the wrong way in my opinion. It certainly turned me off regardless of the intention.

I agree with your point that we won't see better content or at least content that we want to see unless we're able to communicate that to providers who don't already "get it". I tried to do this with Ani but I either did a poor job of explaining myself or it was just something that Ani couldn't wrap her mind around as her response was something along the lines of " I don't get it". That's fine too. If it doesn't make sense to the creator or they don't know how to translate those suggestions to video then there isn't much to be done. But your point that we reap what we sow is somewhat correct. It may be something that we never overcome or figure out as a community and we'll have to live with that and what could have been. We still have many providers who do produce content that many of us find enjoyable and sufficient for our needs so it's not a total loss.

Other than you being deceitful (you bought a $350 custom video from your wife?) you do have some valid points and while your presentation has done you no favors if you really wanted to address this issue seriously and not just take shots at the community and try to turn current content creators against us and hopefully we learn something from this absolute trainwreck of a situation.

I found Ani to be a very nice person to interact with personally until this started going downhill and am sad that it turned into what it has because honestly, I think she showed great promise as a content provider. I just withdrew from the situation until this post and in fact had a period of a few weeks where I actually quit this website to get away from the negativity but realized that solved nothing as I still wanted to be a part of this community.

Anyway, congratulations on what I what I assume was your recent-ish honeymoon (I followed Ani on Twitter until I quit Twitter for the same reasons I stated above but I haven't rejoined there because that platform is extremely toxic and I feel much better having not been on it in a month) and I wish you guys the best of luck. I wish it could have worked it out here but it is obvious that that bridge was not only burned but vaporized.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:23 am
by Ani Erotika
My full response to Lithorien (up until his most recent message):

"Ani enjoys her zoophile videos; everything else seems ancillary to that. I know that particular revelation made me rather uncomfortable and drove me away from her in general (to the point where I've closed my account and deleted everything I had purchased from her)"

At best, your perception or recollection is distorted. At worst, you're being dishonest. Either way, you've seriously misrepresented the messages we've exchanged, in a way that tries to cast me in a negative light while you try to claim some sort of moral high ground. You seem happy to delve into our private messages, but you did it very selectively, so let's review the facts, here and now, to reveal the truth about what really happened.

What I sent you was exactly what you said you wanted. You said you like furry toy porn. Lithorien, you also said you fantasise about mom porn so please do not try to present yourself as some pure spirit whom I was trying to corrupt.

Here's an extract of what you wrote to me on 29th November as part of an exchange of several very long messages between us: "you have what seems to be some foot fetish stuff (my biggest kink - and my actual fetish, I almost can't get off without feet involved somehow) ... some 'mom' stuff, and I think I saw a thumbnail of you and a teddy bear (I am a furry who finds teddy bears exciting - no, I don't know why and yes I know it's messed up). So I will be looking into that stuff. ... I would like to say thank you. You're asking all these questions and seem to actually be listening to my answers. That's a wonderful feeling and I really appreciate it."

So, that same day I forwarded you an email I'd previously sent to someone else, with a message that simply said " Vid number 4 is the one I wanted to show you, watch the preview and see if you like it." Vid 4 was me with a stuffed toy, exactly what you asked for. This was WHY you sent me your email address and the ONLY time I ever emailed you. Your response? Silence. You made it sound above like your silence was because you were offended by some of the things in the email I forwarded. The original email was not even to you, but had one vid in it that you said interested you.

"I know that particular revelation made me rather uncomfortable and drove me away from her in general (to the point where I've closed my account and deleted everything I had purchased from her)"

"I stated that everything seems ancillery [sic] to her zoophilia videos because after I had engaged with her on ManyVids (including in private messages), I revealed that I was a furry. She then took that and mentioned zoophilia, and asked me for my email address, whereupon she sent me an email with links to a Google Drive account containing explicit beastiality videos and an offer to sell them off-site because they were not allowed on MV."

But that's not true at all, is it. You were still messaging me MONTHS after you read that email, like on 10 February when you messaged me saying you wanted to "support you as my favorite creator and all-around good person". You also told me that the reason why you were not going to be around was because you had been struggling with your economics degree with "some of the hardest classes in my major ... I do apologize, I don't mean to make you think I'm ignoring you or anything... I wish you had a Patreon or something where we could have some kind of monthly subscription thing" Two-faced much?

So the only question is, were you lying then, or now? The two different stories you've told cannot both be the truth. Usually what people say in private is closest to the truth, so I deduce that your private messages to me about you struggling at college and struggling with money contained the truth about why you were no longer on MV. Do you lie to and about other content creators, too?

What you said here in public, you who secretly likes mom porn, that you were so repulsed by my petplay content that you wanted nothing more to do with me, is BS. You kept on sending me long messages, didn't you.

"so while it's not good to see a creator go away from the community, I can't bring myself to feel more than a moment of mild disappointment that she gave up so easily on it all" ----- really? but i thought i was yout favourite content creator and all around good person?

----- side note: i was never more partial towards any fetish i make content for until the robo community made me feel as if i was just not good enough. at that point, yes, i did not feel as chummy/sunny about making fembot content, sorry. how the heck could i? the fans of the other genres i make stuff for just never made me feel like that.

"Hey, this content creator you like has actual sex with animals." ---- Bs. And the fact that you came out saying I did in public is so lowlife level shit I am appalled you think yourself a real man at all. Uncouth, tactless, and untrue.... you disgust me.

It is funny after all this you had the gall to try to blast me here as someone who "has actual sex with animals" (Lithorien, 17 April). Sir, I have NEVER done that. Ever. And more importantly, you know that. We discussed it. You're trying to smear me in an effort to justify your untenable position. Shame on you.

"Her private messages to Kishin and - for a time - refusal to come forward with her own complaints. When Kishin and Robotman came out with, 'someone has made a complaint,' it put them in the crossfire and sowed a lot of dissent in this forum's community because people felt as if they were being attacked out of the blue, and Robotman took the brunt of it, fairly or not. That the forum would become incredibly riled up from an anonymous complaint from a 'content creator' is entirely forseeable, and the choice to go forward with that was deliberate."

Lithorien, I never asked Kishin, Robotman or anyone else to make my criticisms anonymous. Where did you hear that????????????? It's absolutely not true. Either you made this up, or you were misinformed. Which is it? Does neither Kishin or Robotman have anything to say to set this record straight? Why are they content to let this untruth stand uncorrected? Perhaps for whatever reason they gave people this impression and now feel unable to back out? They're reading this, so why so silent on the matter?

I NEVER asked for anonymity. When I sent people private messages, it was always ENTIRELY at their discretion whether or not to share it here. After private discussions and the activity here that followed woke me up to the depth of the problem, I then posted here to say my piece. How can you complain about me saying these things privately/anonymously, and then complain about me coming here and airing my concerns? You cannot have it both ways. I notice that you keep doing this, condemning me whatever I do, even when it contradicts what you've said previously. Try to be consistent. The contradictory attacks reveal that the purpose here is to attack me arbitrarily as part of a defence against legitimate criticism.

Actually, I never said a damn thing to Robotman. I didn't even know that Kishin was a moderator. Kish hit ME up about wanting content with panels and face off stuff. I barely even sent many messages to Kish. 1st time he messaged me was 25th October with a long detailed message about his sfx and cosmetics/prosthetics ideas for open-panels and face-offs with some pictures, and saying "Halloween is a perfect time for getting a panel for a face-off video..." elaborate, difficult, technical, involved production ideas, an investment of my time and finances, and I said I'd love to try doing it. On 21st November he said "thank you for the [free] video." One time when Kish hit me up (12 November) he asked me if I had ordered the mask yet, and... at my own wits end about this issue building up... I offloaded about how I was feeling onto him. Had no clue he was a mod. I was just venting. I sent him two very long videos, one in tears, very sincerely saying basically hey i need to vent if u wanna listen. I vented my frustration about reviews etc and the very inconsistent support from the community. One thing I complained about was directed at HIM (without me realising it was him) because he said he loved the vids in some reviews yet gave low star ratings for them.

I told Kish I have no problem at all with him naming me as the content creator who raised the issue. In regard to Robotman, he often messaged me about wanting to commission my voice for various animated robo projects (which he was actually VERY eager to get me on board with to the point he pursued me quite a bit) that ended up caving and not happening in the end. I never even intended to say a word to him, nor did I ever ask. To see him stand up for the whole feedback issue at first only to be impacted by the responses so much he eventually lost his backbone, it was a shame. Then for him to come back after the fact and state this on the 7th of April in my final message thread was pathetic:

"I need to post some clarifications again, because it seems that some people are assuming false things. 1) I was not siding with Ani ... 2) I had no working relationship with Ani. I never bought any of her videos as the content never appealed to me. 3) My intention was to use her original complaint to encourage people to leave more feedback ... 4) ... I've always wanted to encourage a sense of community and positivity here, but I've failed. I'm not going to bother with that any more."

Like, really? All the sudden he has 'no working relationship' with me, when he damn sure attempted and pursued me for it. And super funny even more so that he never bought anything from me because my 'content did not appeal' to him, yet it must have been good enough for him to want me in his commissioned projects. Why the hell did you have to flip a trip like that Robotman? You know I did not deserve that cheap shot.

With both Kish and Robotman as with some others I was taking ideas from people who had not even watched my vids, but I sent them treats and entertained their constant messages because I valued their insights and thorough feedback.

On seeing the reaction on this forum to my first attempt to raise the issue, Kish privately messaged me saying don't waste time on fembot content because this community does not deserve it!!!! I agree, I understand why he said that. But here in an open forum, people don't like to be honest, maybe their need for acceptance outweighs their instinct to defend an underdog.

Kish told me privately that my concerns were exactly the same reason why many other content creators such ass Ashley Fires all "dropped this genre like an anvil made of hot molten lava." He said "every few years someone who has been diligently making content has a meltdown and complains about the lack of feedback... I usually tell them not to expect any because that's just the way this group is." Others have privately expressed the same conclusions to me. But out here in public, nobody wants to acknowledge the truth, do they. Good luck with that, getting what you want without facing up to the huge white elephant in the corner, in denial about the real issues that we all know DO blight the genre. Now even Kish has backed down and lost all spinal substance regarding all this, and wont respond to me. I have my guesses why.

All I did is tell you the truth, and air unspoken problems you all know about already. But because you PREFER them to be buried, for speaking the truth I have been attacked.

Case closed.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:41 am
by Ani Erotika
Lithorien wrote:Here's the thing. You, Ani/cbjoe, can come here and talk about feedback and how "this community" treats creators all you want. You can even be an utter ass and try to convince other content creators not to stay here when they're perfectly happy and well supported by the community. But you need to remember, Ani, your comments to people who do leave feedback (and you did consider simple likes and dislikes feedback, after all) show a pattern. Namely: The problem isn't with the communities you are in - it's with you.
AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... b17ef1cb58

wtf is the deal with people and the thumbs downs on this platform? this is a free video of me fucking a horse cock dildo and a dog cock dildo and half of you gave it a thumbs down?! what ungreatful cunts.
Way to take that feedback on board here. It's awesome seeing a content creator who craves feedback calling people leaving feedback "ungr[ate]ful cunts." You don't get defensive, do you, Ani?


My reply: Lithorien, lol, really, now you stalk me on other platforms? Thanks for sharing the link though cool!

The example you gave has over 3k views, and over 60% thumbs up!!!!!!

Plus, this is generic PornHub, not a fetish community, I have never asked for any feedback on that site, ever. And my statement about being ungrateful is in regard to this being a free video. If they don't like it, find something else. Rather than thumbs down a freebie.

No comparison to this conversation. You missed the point, totally. Nice try, though,

BTW some of my recent vids on PornHub have over 80k views. I thrive on there. No feedback needed on that platform, so utterly irrelevant to this thread.


AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... 34b9bba428

i just wrote a long message for this stream and it magically got deleted when i posted it. wtf.just wanted to say the amazing amounts of thumbs down i have gotten here for posting fun free sexy videos is a real insult and slap in the face. makes me not want anythig to do with it here and DEF makes me not want to share one more damn thing free. it has made me feel most unwelcome, unappreciated, and quite frankly... insulted. lol... i get the hint. i dont stay where im unwant
You beg for feedback. But it seems like all you want is positive feedback - you talk yourself up so much, but when people show a dislike for what you're creating, you immediately go on the defensive and find countless ways to reject valid criticisms and honest feedback. Or is the PornHub community as "toxic" as you claim this one is?


My reply: Again, 50% thumbs up on that vid, and it is a free vid, and feedback does not affect ranking on that platform, unlike MV, so not at all relevant. But yes the thumbs down are being ungrateful, this was free, artistic content. Again, thanks for sharing my link. And nice try.

AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... a3c0d37263

There are so many ‘men’ out there who are no more then rude, angry, uncouth, insatiable little boys. It’s truly depressing. If you don’t like the video then ok move on to the next you spent not one penny on this so no loss to you just soft on ahead and watch something else. Don’t bring your crass petty insults into my world. You do not get to treat me like shit, you hear me? You don’t even exist. You are hot air and dust.

All comments have been removed, sorry about removing the ones who commented something nice. the hateful shit flung at me for sharing this video for free has been astronomical, and no doubt by men with no real worthy qualities a man should have. The caliber of a ‘man’ who calls a woman a pos because she shared something for free is disgraceful. For shame. Didn’t you learn how to respect others even as a c***d? Furthermore did you miss the lesson on how to speak to a woman?

Now, anyone who wants to be mean to me can piss off wnd go fuck themselves, which I am sure is what they’re doing because no woman would fuck such a lame mother fucker. Be gone, be well, and be far away from me and my reality. Peace.
Getting really upset and defensive about your zoophile videos there, Ani. Are you sure you want to question how I, and others, know which crowd you prioritize over any other? And, wow, it seems like that honest feedback where people were expressing how they felt about your video... wasn't actually what you wanted after all. You even went so far as to delete it! This is really poking a lot of holes in your case, Ani/cbjoe, where you're trying to paint this community as so horrible and toxic about feedback ... it seems like you just have an issue when the feedback isn't unadultered praise for you.

My reply: People were being rude in the comments, accusing it of being a clickbait video. So my response is justified. Yes I will always call out rude entitled dudes on porn sites.

Again, this was FREE content, it has over 80k views so far, and again this is NOT a fetish community, and again I did not ask for feedback, and again on this platform feedback does not matter.

So, totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

AniErotika wrote:https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... ca0abea21a

Fuck anyone who gave this a thumbs down. I will remember that... cunts
Great response to viewer feedback. Excellent.

Another free video. Clearly stated in description it was comedy. In no way relevant here. Feedback not needed or sought on that platform.


To everyone from the community, don't feel bad about yourselves, or anyone else here. This is a solid community that, for the most part, is functional and works well together. I'm proud and happy to have gotten to know y'all, and it's good to see your words every day I come by - even if I don't engage with y'all much. To creators who take the time and effort to create: Thank you. Thank you for your work, your time, and your understanding of how this community functions, and how the people in it are willing to engage and show appreciation.

My reply: In all the examples you scrape together from your stalking session, nobody is even criticising the actual content! Only that it is not explicit enough, etc.

When guys are extremely rude and offensive to girls in this industry, me or anyone else, I will call that out. Do you support guys being rude to girls in porn?

These were totally free videos and this has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. You know that, you're being disengenous trying to make your point, but you failed.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:56 am
by cbjoe
Hi kingjeremy, I broadly agree with your reply. You made some valid points. Appreciated.

To anyone and everyone saying they were so offended/upset by the infamous "Where the f are my reviews" video I say this:

Where's your sense of humor? Guys! Lighten up, jeez! :D

It was a fun, original way to make a valid point that we know as a matter of record that many agree with -- even though in many cases conspicuous by their absence they sadly don't want to say so here.

Re: My final message to yall...

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:15 pm
by SciFiGuy333
cbjoe wrote:Hi kingjeremy, I broadly agree with your reply. You made some valid points. Appreciated.

To anyone and everyone saying they were so offended/upset by the infamous "Where the f are my reviews" video I say this:

Where's your sense of humor? Guys! Lighten up, jeez! :D

It was a fun, original way to make a valid point that we know as a matter of record that many agree with -- even though in many cases conspicuous by their absence they sadly don't want to say so here.
Honest feedback and my own personal opinion. That video would have fun and cheeky had it been about 10% of it's actual running time. By the time it was over I felt browbeaten and pissed off and I was actually leaving feedback at that point so I wasn't even the intended audience. You can't be upset at people if they aren't able to pick up on your message when you aren't being direct. I feel like I'm pretty adept at picking things up but after the first minute or so I just felt attacked. I will say that performance wise, Ani was great but to me delivering that message seemed heavy handed. I feel a bit dumb for not recognizing what it was but that's not entirely on me.