Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby AmpFetish » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:55 pm

I think on the whole, the fetish requires more than "Be born sexy and say/do this specific thing" like foot fetishes, or humping balloons or whatever, it's a lot harder to nail down.

I think 90% of filmed videos just suck. And I think the community knows this too. It's not really the creators' fault, it's just a difficult thing to get right. It requires great ACTING, VISUAL EFFECTS, PRACTICAL EFFECTS, EDITING, SOUND DESIGN, and so on, and so on. I'd say 90% of videos don't have that. I've sung his praises millions of times, but I think what the community is looking for is someone like Fection. That's the standard. Someone like that dude is a rare combo of creative skill + tastes that align with what the community wants. And people constantly BEG HIM for a new video. Ashley Fires had great skill, but her tastes didn't align with what I personally liked MOST of the time, so I canceled my subscription to her site. Most people probably did too.

Also, I think most of us like staying anonymous/silent because we live mostly normal lives and don't wanna get too entangled with a fetish community. A lot of us just want to look at decent porn every now and then. It's the same reason Pornhub videos have MILLIONS of views and like 100 comments. People don't wanna bother getting involved.

And my final point is that i think it's incorrect that we don't come out of the woodwork to sing the praises of people that make good videos. Like I said before, someone like Fection still gets massive feedback to this day. Most creators don't get that feedback because their videos don't really do anything for us, so most people don't care. If someone like AniErotika is begging for feedback, I don't want to sit down all the time and basically direct a video for her. People can get better, sure, but it's not my fault if I don't like what they're selling, even if they want to do well. If I don't like the videos, it's not my job to direct it and get exactly what I want. Because then I'd just get a custom. But I can't afford that either. So, I guess we just have to wait until someone orders a custom from a creator that ACTUALLY gets it.
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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby Toastdroid » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:08 pm

Robotman wrote:I need to clarify some thing again that people have either missed or chosen not to believe:

- The claim that creators are being driven away due to lack of feedback is not a judgement from Kishin or myself. This comes directly from a content creator.

Many people feel that they know better what this person has stated themself, so by all means, keep posting all about how this isn't true. Just remember that this is a public forum and everyone - including content creators - can see how dismissive you are of them.


I am aware. However, I did not really take much stock in that because:

1. A sample of one person is not enough to draw solid conclusion.

2. There's obviously a lot of producers (many mentioned in the OP) who have continued to to make content for years nearing to a decade despite this apparent feedback problem suggests otherwise.

3. Assuming the creator's complaints are valid, you do realise that the majority of sales for this person's content will have come from outside of this forum, right? And that surely means that this forum is at minimum partially not at fault.

4. Finally, there's the very real possibility that the person in question is the same one 33cl33 is talking about, and if so they may be driving feedback away because they're making people uncomfortable with repeated requests, which is a major breach of trust. Of course I can't be sure of this and I don't think it's fair to try and "out" this person either (so please don't).

My concerns are the same as a lot of people who have also posted here (most of whom also create content for this community, with no expectation of payment or feedback) - that, while it's totally fine to request politely for feedback (and every time someone done so to me I've gladly given it), and that it's nice to give unprompted feedback - it is absolutely not okay to demand it, especially when the content in question has been paid for. People have a right to enjoy things that they have paid for in private.

It is unfair and insulting to completely completely deflect those concerns, and suggest that we are somehow dismissive of the people who make this content; it is also highly unfair to hold us somehow responsible for a perceived lack of content, when many of us go out of our way to specifically pay for and commission this content.

That's the last I'm gonna say on the matter, since I've already wasted too much time on this.

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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby daphne » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:40 am

I think it's completely fair to out this person. I do not take OP's claim that there even is a complaint in the first place at face value. Show me the receipts.

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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby KingJeremy » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:47 am

daphne wrote:I think it's completely fair to out this person. I do not take OP's claim that there even is a complaint in the first place at face value. Show me the receipts.


While it's not my call to out the person, I can assure you that probably half of the people posting here know who it is, if not more. If so, it is not a stretch by any means to imagine said individual lodging this complaint.

I'll say this on the matter while I'm here. First and foremost, while it would be nice to see people give detailed feedback they should never feel obligated or be made to feel guilty about it if they don't. They've paid their money already and that is the most important feedback there is for a producer. In this particular case I think the producer has gone rogue and made several videos on their own and they are frustrated that they aren't getting feedback. Which I totally understand but as many have said before...this is life as a content creator in fembot land. They can at least track sales as some sort of metric. Most story writers, image manipulators and artists don't even have that to go off of.

In most (not all) cases these videos are either a custom or request so the only person whose opinion matters in that instance is the customer. The producer has made their money already, additional sales are icing on the cake but aren't what gets the video made in the first place.

I write to producers through email, message boards and social media constantly. I'm on good terms with several who are considered popular here and give suggestions all the time but the number one motivating factor for most is sales. They like to hear that people enjoyed it and some do take constructive criticism better than others, the ones I've spoken with about this very issue have said that sales determines if they make non commissioned videos in this genre.

tl;dr if you have time and the inclination to leave feedback, please do but in my experience a dollar is worth a thousand words in most cases.
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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby gyn2010 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:53 am

Maybe the solution to this problem is some kind of reverse engineering. Let everyone pick top three or four scenes as an examples and describe them in a short way.
I know everyone would give a different answer but maybe something will emerge out of this process.

1. Spilberg's AI. What really turned me on was an interaction between an android and an engineer. Crossing the line between human/robot twice. Loved visual effects too.
2. Ex Machina. Definatelly my type of stuff. You see the beauty of this movie for me lies in a simple fact, that even if some parts still sci-fi those robots were 100% technically reliable. Construction and designwise all was right.
3. Speaking of malfunctions they turn me on if there is "reveal" aspect in them. I love when a lady looking 100% human suddenly goes haywire or suddenly someone approaches her and i dunno detaches her arm like it's nothing special. That kind of thing. To give some examples of malfunctions: Cherry 2000, fection animations, FEMM-like moves and expressionless faces.

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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby Kishin » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:10 am

I do not take OP's claim that there even is a complaint in the first place at face value. Show me the receipts.


No, Daphne. I am not throwing a content creator under the bus for your amusement. Clearly you view all this as a spectacle to cackle over and laugh about with your friends.
I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of a named victim for your jeering and snark.

I find it amusing that you choose to call me a liar though. I've been part of the community and either contributed to or helped run its websites for 28 years. I've only ever had the community's best interests at heart.

But rather than see that, you choose to call me a liar and scorn me.
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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby daphne » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:45 am

Kishin wrote:
I do not take OP's claim that there even is a complaint in the first place at face value. Show me the receipts.


No, Daphne. I am not throwing a content creator under the bus for your amusement. Clearly you view all this as a spectacle to cackle over and laugh about with your friends.
I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of a named victim for your jeering and snark.

I find it amusing that you choose to call me a liar though. I've been part of the community and either contributed to or helped run its websites for 28 years. I've only ever had the community's best interests at heart.

But rather than see that, you choose to call me a liar and scorn me.


Spare me the "I've been with this community since you were in short pants" speech, chum. I've been with it just as long as you, if not longer. Back on the old IRC channel in the 90s I was known as MadScience. Heard from Cricket lately?

And I'm not calling you a liar. I'm calling you a hypocrite, because you've made the exact opposite argument on this very forum multiple times. Here's you telling Mirage (and the entire community you love "helping") "we're not here to stroke your ego" with feedback. Here's you again, back in the faraway date of literally this year, telling Uncom not to judge his success on feedback.

You gonna argue with yourself now?

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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby Robotman » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:17 am

My original request in all this was for people to start being more interactive in general when it comes to content being produced. And I was talking mainly to the lurkers who never post, many of whom don't even have accounts here, and only browse these forums as "guests". There are a lot of them.

But I'm still baffled as to how many people are misunderstanding my message, making this thread into a bitching session about content they don't like, and now trying to make it into a crusade against a particular content creator.
daphne wrote:I think it's completely fair to out this person. I do not take OP's claim that there even is a complaint in the first place at face value. Show me the receipts.

Daphne, what the hell is wrong with you? Do you not understand that this person wished to remain anonymous? What makes you think your curiosity overrides their privacy?

The lack of empathy in this thread has been shocking.

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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby daphne » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:28 am

Robotman wrote:Daphne, what the hell is wrong with you?


I'm allergic to horseshit.

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Re: Content Creators Need Your Feedback.

Postby daphne » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:39 am

FTR I genuinely couldn't care less if there's an actual message and/or who it's from. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. It doesn't matter either way, because taking the entire community to task for one complaint is still a garbage argument.

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