Freedumb of speech vs porn

humanoid · Post by **humanoid** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:34 pm

I am watching the the first episode of Season 6' (hah- no. 6) Penn & Teller BS! And this has added some carts on my train of thought. It's all about porn vs no porn and this brought a thing to my mind. Bear with me, but the whole idea of the the Bionic Woman definition version of the fembot vs the Terminator's. I can understand and have bourn witnessed by having my posts removed regarding MLP stuff- which I see is viewed as inappropriate. My question is why? I can understand if one set of f-ishist's can view it as in appropriate but after viewing the whole Penn & Teller- freedom of speech stuff- why? I suppose some of us may be viewed as being social deviants and the such- but honestly I was around since the FAC day's (before the version of archive.org site in the Kishin '97 days- whom I'm aware disapproves of it). I can understand how somebody can view it as immoral- but isn't this whole site (and the wiki) about a fetish (ie: porn)? So by that why should I be ostracized for something that would be considered as porn if this is the avenue I inadvertently picked up on? If it's freedom of speech then don't we all have the right to express our interest in the fembot- whatever universe it may leigh in? So then why am I being censored for expessing/sharing? Isn't that what the subject of this site is? I can understand the idea of something as being viewed as in appropriate- but to any other un-open mind would they see any difference to the line that seems to have been drawn? So then where did my right go? At the point it was dissaproved? So then where do the ppl who aren't norms go?

Much Respect.

PowerDroid5000 · Post by **PowerDroid5000** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:30 pm

uhhhhhh... i'm... lost... @_@

andoroido · Post by **andoroido** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:52 pm

Damn, I guess I'm really out of the loop being in Japan so long, I don't even know what "MLP" means, but it doesn't matter. [Although it DOES immunize me from any accusations of prejudice against your issue, whatever it is.]

A basic and often-ignored point about Constitutional rights is that they ONLY APPLY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT is the one limiting freedoms.

Freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to insist that any (and thus every) author of any book also include a chapter stating MY point of view, which I have kindly written out in a 300-page screed, in crayon.

This is not a government-run website, thus nobody has any "right" to do anything. If you don't like it, start your own website.

I would go so far as to say the freedom to exclude things you don't enjoy, want, or need from your own private club, home, website, etc. is a right that is so fundamental and obvious, the Founding Fathers didn't even bother to write it down as such, but I assume that part of the "Freedom to Assemble" also implies the "Freedom to NOT Assemble With People I Don't Want to Assemble With"

Freedom of Speech also implies a "Freedom to NOT Listen to,Echo, Publish, Aid in the Distribution of Speech I Find Dull, Boring, Oppressive or just Stupid"

xodar · Post by **xodar** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:01 am

Robotman wrote:Can't say that I have any clue what it is you're talking about.

Apparently it's a search for a definition of pornography.
If I like it, then it's erotica; if I dislike it, then it's pornography.

eyebore · Post by **eyebore** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:50 pm

We are all guest with exception of those who host the site. We should all try to conduct ourselves in a manner that is not offensive to the host or other guest. If you are asked by the host or multiple members not to link, post, or mention certain topics, images, videos, stories or websites, then as a guest you should respect their wishes. If you wish to start or join a board that better reflects your personal taste than please feel free to do so. There is a difference between sexy and vulgar, and it is the host who reserves the right to determine where that line lies.

Outsider · Post by **Outsider** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:11 am

In my case, I'm not too worried about sexy-vs-vulgar.

Le me offer my perspective. I'm not a bot fetishist. I don't write to express a fetish. I write to explore a different human condition and thereby understand my own human condition. It happens that bot stories, particularly transformation stories, offer one way to explore a different human condition. In some sub-genres, the bot's condition is more limited; in others it is less limiting; in others, the bot's condition is better at some things and worse at others.

I hope that Orion Medical will explore what it is to be human; in Tom's case, what it would be to be a man, and in Alicia's case, what it would be to be torn from childhood. I hope that another Dyson-setting story, working-titled Split Personality will explore what it means to be an individual, and how we relate ourselves to our past and our future.

In my humble opinion, sexual scenes can be distracting or annoying. A sexual scene with one turn-off and nine turn-ons is often a turn-off, and one with nine turn-ons and one turn-off is even worse. If the turn-offs drive the reader from other themes in the story, it's to the loss of the writer and the reader alike.

Unless you're writing a pure sex romp, or unless you arrange the story so people can choose the sex romp version or the shorter version, I'd suggest less is more. Your readers have their own tastes, imaginations, etc. and can fill in the gaps. I think it's enough to set the stage and, given the genre, show one or two things the bots can do, which us humans can't, which few other stories mention. Avoid cliches. You don't need to describe each sexual act. And, just as importantly, you don't need to describe people's appearance. People can be as picky about appearance as touchy about acts.

And appearance rarely matters. Clothing expresses personality, and for bots, appearance can express personality, but not always. If you read Orion Medical, so far I've only described two peoples' appearance, and then vaguely. One is Tom's. The other is the blank in the testing scene. In both cases, I wanted to contrast what, in my interpretation, the Institute routinely does to customize each body with what it doesn't do.

Gorgo · Post by **Gorgo** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:54 pm

I'd like to know this one, too.

Outsider · Post by **Outsider** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:13 am

No idea what the original post was about. My post was in response to this line in Kishin's post:

We got members here who wont even write sex scenes in their stories or put them in their movies (despite this being a sexual fetish) because they are personally offended or unhappy with that idea.