Our film...Our way

[Windupdolluver]

Hey Gang,

I know we all have our own likes and loves in the ASFR Nation, some of us love open panels and some love start up sequences. Myself I'm a malfunction fan, as is several others in our fetish. My question is....Why hasn't someone from the ASFR Nation gotten with some others to create the type of films WE want to see. I know we have all at one point and time read so many stories from some the most creative people on the planet shared in this group, and in 'Legacy' as well, and said to ourselves...'God! Why can't someone make that into a film for US?'

We all have our different ways we would like out fembots, androids, cyborgs and robots to look, act and respond...but when are WE going to see these items done in films for US, and by US. The porn films are okay, but not everyone wants it to become a porn film. Some of us really want to keep it a pure robotic film. I give 'cudos' to Chelsea for the 'Poor Design' film....she and crew kept it just a pure start up and shutdown film with little to no porn involved. Kind of like back in the day with 'The Lost Saucer' show. Fi and Fum would have great running out of power scenes and the same could be said about Julie Newmar as Rhoda in 'My Living Doll' (still trying to find more clips from both shows).

Okay...I'm getting off of the soap box now, but am I the only one who feels this way?

[jolshefsky]

My question is....Why hasn't someone from the ASFR Nation gotten with some others to create the type of films WE want to see.

To start with, there isn't this "consensus" of which you speak – no collective "we". Every person has their own thing. Somebody wants silver and thinks fake skin is gross. Somebody else wants a cyborg with organic parts. Somebody else wants a genderless doll. Somebody else wants seams. Somebody else wants disassembly.

I guess my answer to questions of this sort is often, "then do it!" At least start. Make a script. Make a storyboard. Figure out how to do the special effects.

Personally, I'm unwilling to do it because I find I'm always disappointed in the manifestation of my fantasy. Like I don't really want a robot woman, I want to fantasize about one. A real robot woman would actually be kind of gross and would never live up to fantasy.

And the more effort I put into it, the worse it gets. I'm all about playing on Photoshop for 20 minutes for a little visual stimulation, but to commit a thousand dollars and 200 hours of time is just too much for me. For me it's porn – titillation – a temporary gratification. And the manips and movies that did it for me last week fade into blandness, so it ends up being a quantity over quality, "flavor of the week" kind of thing.

[The Collector]

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[keraptis]

My question is....Why hasn't someone from the ASFR Nation gotten with some others to create the type of films WE want to see.

To start with, there isn't this "consensus" of which you speak – no collective "we".

This is true. Or rather, there is not just one "we" but a bunch of different "we's" that overlap quite a bit since a lot of us can enjoy a fairly wide range of interpretations on the fantasy. Maybe the overlap is less when we're asked to put up money though ... when money is involved I imagine most of us have a narrower sense of what is "worth it" to us.

I should also say that there HAVE been films made by this group for this group. Android675, Robolvr, and I created "Upgrade" several years ago, and while we have no regrets, and got some nice feedback, we didn't come anywhere close to getting our money back. In other words, we didn't get enough response from this group to justify making another film. At least, not to date.

So ... my response to the endless string of threads about "let's make our own movie" is very simple. Either go out and make the movie you want, OR write your script, find someone who will make it into a movie, find out how much money they'll charge you to do it, try to get people to chip in, and be ready to pay most of the bill out of your own pocket. Simple as that.

[ehy]

Mostly, because making a movie that doesn't completely suck is expensive, and requires you to be more open about WANTING that sort of movie than most of us here are willing to be. Not that many of us are even willing to spend $20 on a video, let alone the hundreds to thousands of dollars that even an inexpensively-done-but-not-so-cheap-as-to-suck movie would be.

As for myself... I'm certainly willing-in-principle to be part of such an effort. There are a few ways I could contribute without giving up more money or anonymity than I'm willing to part with, and I'll discuss those details with someone who makes a serious offer to produce. But I'm not making that offer, and I don't expect to see anyone else make it either.

FYI: "produce" is the verb for "take responsibility for making it happen." That means making sure there are people to fill all the necessary positions in the production staff, you have a script worth shooting, you have the location(s) where you're going to shoot, finding people to act, organizing special effects, putting up money to PAY for all of the above... the producer doesn't necessarily have to personally DO all of that, but he is responsible for making sure that it happens. He has to be able to talk to normal people in the real world and say, "Hi, my name is so-and-so and I'm producing a movie about blah-blah-blah and I was hoping you would help us by doing XYZ." It takes a special kind of skill to do that, especially for a film that is, let's face it, a niche that most of us wouldn't admit in public that we want to be in.

[revtek]

[quote="ehy"]Mostly, because making a movie that doesn't completely suck is expensive, and requires you to be more open about WANTING that sort of movie than most of us here are willing to be. Not that many of us are even willing to spend $20 on a video, let alone the hundreds to thousands of dollars that even an inexpensively-done-but-not-so-cheap-as-to-suck movie would be.

As for myself... I'm certainly willing-in-principle to be part of such an effort. There are a few ways I could contribute without giving up more money or anonymity than I'm willing to part with, and I'll discuss those details with someone who makes a serious offer to produce. But I'm not making that offer, and I don't expect to see anyone else make it either.

FYI: "produce" is the verb for "take responsibility for making it happen." That means making sure there are people to fill all the necessary positions in the production staff, you have a script worth shooting, you have the location(s) where you're going to shoot, finding people to act, organizing special effects, putting up money to PAY for all of the above... the producer doesn't necessarily have to personally DO all of that, but he is responsible for making sure that it happens. He has to be able to talk to normal people in the real world and say, "Hi, my name is so-and-so and I'm producing a movie about blah-blah-blah and I was hoping you would help us by doing XYZ." It takes a special kind of skill to do that, especially for a film that is, let's face it, a niche that most of us wouldn't admit in public that we want to be in.[/quote]

Here'a a plan:

1. Screenplay produced by an FC member based on one of Fection's works (classic android material, little sex, highly erotic, many malfunctions,etc.)
Given the blessing of the original author, of course.

Avoids additional cost of having to pay actors a 'porn surcharge'. (Sorry Kishin).

2. Contract Paul Leeming to produce the material. (Only logical choice, as films 'get' the fetish, look great, etc.)

Also, he's a filmmaker, not a porn clip producer.

3. Meet his costs, via the Radiohead method or something similar.

Member list has over 1000 names, assuming 10 % would contribute a substantial amount of money, I think we're talking about a workable budget for a short film that would become the "Jaws" of robot fetish videos.

From my perspective, Fection has produced written material which would be perfect to adapt, and Paul has basically volunteered (and produced perfect audition videos), provided we produce a screenplay and generate a budget.

Upgrade was great. Let's continue the tradition, involving more people so the film's producers don't get left in the cold fiscally (Like w/ 'Upgrade').

Please, if the above idea has flaws, let's discuss what they are, and address them.

[fection]

Hell, yeah I'd contiribute to seeing one or other of my stories translated into video! So long as someone knows Eva Longoria or Elisabetta Gregoracci, of course.
Hell, if I knew what made a decent screen play I'd provide that to start with...

[visceralpsyche]

Here'a a plan:

1. Screenplay produced by an FC member based on one of Fection's works (classic android material, little sex, highly erotic, many malfunctions,etc.)
Given the blessing of the original author, of course.

Avoids additional cost of having to pay actors a 'porn surcharge'. (Sorry Kishin).

2. Contract Paul Leeming to produce the material. (Only logical choice, as [his] films 'get' the fetish, look great, etc.)

Also, he's a filmmaker, not a porn clip producer.

3. Meet his costs, via the Radiohead method or something similar.

Member list has over 1000 names, assuming 10 % would contribute a substantial amount of money, I think we're talking about a workable budget for a short film that would become the "Jaws" of robot fetish videos.

From my perspective, Fection has produced written material which would be perfect to adapt, and Paul has basically volunteered (and produced perfect audition videos), provided we produce a screenplay and generate a budget.

Upgrade was great. Let's continue the tradition, involving more people so the film's producers don't get left in the cold fiscally (Like w/ 'Upgrade').

Please, if the above idea has flaws, let's discuss what they are, and address them.

Aw shucks, thanks for the kind words!

For fection, go to my website and download the OpenOffice.org screenplay template I created. That should help you get started for the formatting side. Screenplays need to be written in the present tense with little to no embellishment of non-important details. Don't be tempted to create shots - just write the story in a dispassionate way. If you need them as a guide I'll email you the scripts for "Eve" and "Birth" so you can see how they work compared to the final products (email me via my website).

For revtek's plan, that's a pretty broad strokes layout of what I was envisioning in the other thread about this stuff. One thing is that I will be shooting part three of my trilogy next year, once I get settled with my new cameras and have generated some money from them. So regardless of anything else happening you'll still be getting at least one more short movie next year from me. Production values for that will be higher than the last two and should hopefully be at a theatrical level, since it'll be my calling card for a feature length version....

Costing would be done once I had a workable script to use as the baseline. I'm in Tokyo so locations won't be an issue and will easily fit the part of a futuristic city, since it really is one already!!

Anyway, yeah I'm all for it, but as with any movie the script is the first part. So anyone who thinks they have what it takes to make it to the screen, get writing and send me your finished scripts via my website's submission page.

Cheers,

Paul

[WinterRose]

My question is....Why hasn't someone from the ASFR Nation gotten with some others to create the type of films WE want to see.

To start with, there isn't this "consensus" of which you speak – no collective "we".

This is true. Or rather, there is not just one "we" but a bunch of different "we's" that overlap quite a bit since a lot of us can enjoy a fairly wide range of interpretations on the fantasy. Maybe the overlap is less when we're asked to put up money though ... when money is involved I imagine most of us have a narrower sense of what is "worth it" to us.

I should also say that there HAVE been films made by this group for this group. Android675, Robolvr, and I created "Upgrade" several years ago, and while we have no regrets, and got some nice feedback, we didn't come anywhere close to getting our money back. In other words, we didn't get enough response from this group to justify making another film. At least, not to date.

So ... my response to the endless string of threads about "let's make our own movie" is very simple. Either go out and make the movie you want, OR write your script, find someone who will make it into a movie, find out how much money they'll charge you to do it, try to get people to chip in, and be ready to pay most of the bill out of your own pocket. Simple as that.

I STILL loves my copy of the Upgrade and the outtakes. When the people at Wired for Sex asked me about an ideal Robot Fetish story, I ventured 'The Offer' stories. I'd goddamn LOVE to see those done in their entirety. (Still working on 'The Patch' but haven't had a lot of time lately. I still have it in mind.)

That said... if I can help in any way, like contributing artwork, voice or on screen acting, I'm there for ya. (I am a trained professional actor too.)