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Post by keraptis » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:58 pm

xodar wrote: It occurred to me that the fembot could eat garbage because that would be energy efficient. Why shouldn't she serve several functions?
Isn't the whole point of ASFR that it's a sexual fantasy? I have a hard time seeing how ideas like this fit with that basic premise.

I'm sure it would be much more "efficient" if real-life girls didn't waste so much water taking showers. Doesn't mean I'd want to go anywhere near them.

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Post by xodar » Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:40 pm

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xodar wrote: It occurred to me that the fembot could eat garbage because that would be energy efficient. Why shouldn't she serve several functions?
Isn't the whole point of ASFR that it's a sexual fantasy? I have a hard time seeing how ideas like this fit with that basic premise.

I'm sure it would be much more "efficient" if real-life girls didn't waste so much water taking showers. Doesn't mean I'd want to go anywhere near them.
Yes, that's true. I guess I'm trying to justify it by making her "energy efficient".
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Post by A.N.N. » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:51 pm

I have to agree with Kishin on this one (especially about Maj Kusanagi, she's hot :D ).

To me a cyborg is alright, but if you're missing the brain (what I consider to be the soul of the human), then you're using an organic machine, which is like the inverse of what I like in ASFR. I want the machine to be a "traditional" machine, and if anything is organic, it needs to be at a minimum, the "soul". Whether that's through good programming or a real brain. You can add other organic parts but (1) it will only dilute the fantasy [akin to what keraptis said] and (2) You must have at least a real brain. People might put down fake breasts in public, but I honestly wouldn't ever mind a nice firm (but not hard) set of plastic breasts.

This is totally just my opinion, and I don't know if everyone (or anyone!) shares it with me.
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Post by xodar » Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:45 pm

I see the difference here.

This isn't something I have fantasized about, but something I consider a practical matter even if it will not be highly developed in my lifetime.

I am considering fembots as substitutes for biological women and thus want them to be as real as possible.

In other words, robots to me have always been tools and not objects of sexual fantasy or interest. It's real women I'm "fixated" on. I am simply not interested in all the difficulties that come with relationships; some people enjoy that but to me it is simply a waste of time. You could be having fun instead of constantly worrying about whether the other person "really" likes you and all that stuff.

This doesn't mean I'm not also now interested in robots and dolls as art and technical achievements.

Two different but converging approaches.
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Post by keraptis » Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:57 am

xodar wrote:I see the difference here.

This isn't something I have fantasized about, but something I consider a practical matter even if it will not be highly developed in my lifetime.

I am considering fembots as substitutes for biological women and thus want them to be as real as possible.

In other words, robots to me have always been tools and not objects of sexual fantasy or interest. It's real women I'm "fixated" on. I am simply not interested in all the difficulties that come with relationships; some people enjoy that but to me it is simply a waste of time. You could be having fun instead of constantly worrying about whether the other person "really" likes you and all that stuff.

This doesn't mean I'm not also now interested in robots and dolls as art and technical achievements.

Two different but converging approaches.
That's fair, and I appreciate your honesty ... but I think that's why I'm not connecting with the ideas you've posted in this and several other threads I've seen in the past. The worldview you describe strikes me as sociopathic.

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Post by xodar » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:12 pm

keraptis wrote:That's fair, and I appreciate your honesty ... but I think that's why I'm not connecting with the ideas you've posted in this and several other threads I've seen in the past. The worldview you describe strikes me as sociopathic.
Interesting, again. I see my outlook as constructive in that I don't want to waste time on a lot of stuff that is essentially nonproductive and distracting, and defensive in that I don't want to take unnecessary risks.

Artificial women will be cooperative and helpful and not require constrant struggles to maintain one's integrity. Thus the relationship can go forward and be constructive, with each developing their respective talents without fighting to control the other.
Alas, the fembot will have few talents since she will be a machine even if she incorporates biological material, but there will be no debilitating and distracting struggles.

Ihe same could be said for male androids for women or gay men.
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Post by WinterRose » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:16 pm

Cyborgs. Yuck. You got your meaty bits in my Robot! You got your machinery in my meatbag! Two bad ideas that go worse together.

Why put dying organic matter in a pecisely engineered entity?
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Post by xodar » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:35 pm

WinterRose wrote:Cyborgs. Yuck. You got your meaty bits in my Robot! You got your machinery in my meatbag! Two bad ideas that go worse together.

Why put dying organic matter in a pecisely engineered entity?
That's a good point.
I'm after having her smell and taste and everywhere feel like a biological female and this seems overall a simpler and more efficient way of doing it than making all the relevant factors artificially.
I've made out with girls on car seats, but I'm not going to be turned on much by one that actually smells like seat covers.

Possibly bioscience will be sufficiently developed to overcome aging, first in cultured tissue and then in "natural" tissue.
Not while I'm alive, though.
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Post by xodar » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:17 am

Scientist: 'Hybrid' computers will meld living brains with technology
Sounds sci-fi, but researcher says hybrids using living brains will be in autos, desktops in 10-15 years

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December 03, 2007 (Computerworld) -- A scientist who successfully connected a moth's brain to a robot predicts that in 10 to 15 years we'll be using "hybrid" computers running a combination of technology and living organic tissue.

Charles Higgins, an associate professor at the University of Arizona, has built a robot that is guided by the brain and eyes of a moth. Higgins told Computerworld that he basically straps a hawk moth to the robot and then puts electrodes in neurons that deal with sight in the moth's brain. Then the robot responds to what the moth is seeing -- when something approaches the moth, the robot moves out of the way.

Higgins explained that he had been trying to build a computer chip that would do what brains do when processing visual images. He found that a chip that can function nearly like the human brain would cost about $60,000.

"At that price, I thought I was getting lower quality than if I was just accessing the brain of an insect which costs, well, considerably less," he said. "If you have a living system, it has sensory systems that are far beyond what we can build. It's doable, but we're having to push the limits of current technology to do it."

This organically guided, 12-in.-tall robot on wheels may be pushing the technology envelope right now, but it's just the seed of what is coming in terms of combining living tissue with computer components, according to Higgins.

"In future decades, this will be not surprising," he said. "Most computers will have some kind of living component to them. In time, our knowledge of biology will get to a point where if your heart is failing, we won't wait for a donor. We'll just grow you one. We'll be able to do that with brains, too. If I could grow brains, I could really make computing efficient."

While the moth is physically attached to the robot at this point, Higgins said he expects that one day only the brain itself will be needed. "Can we grow a brain that does what we want it to do? Can I grow an eye with a brain connected to it and have it do what I need it to do? Can I engineer an organism and hook it into my artificial system?" he asked. "Yes, I really think this is coming. There are things biology can do so much better. Think of a computer that can be both living and nonliving. We'd be growing tissue that has no more intelligence than a liver or a heart. I don't see ethical issues here."

He does see an ethical line, though. "Our goal is not to hook up primate brains to a robot," said Higgins. "There's the possibility, when you start to tap into brains, for all sorts of evil applications. There are certainly all these ethical issues when you start talking about human and primate brains."

Higgins said he expects that these future hybrid systems will take the form of a visual sensor that sits on the front of an automobile and keeps the vehicle from rear-ending another car. He also envisions them being embedded in military robots that can go into a hot zone, see the enemy and actually sniff out land mines. And hybrid systems could be used to make people with spinal cord injuries mobile again.

Will future desktops and laptops have organic parts?

Why not, said Higgins. "Computers now are good at chess and Word and Excel, but they're not good at being flexible or interacting with other users," he added. "There may be some way to use biological computing to actually make our computers seem more intelligent."

Right now, Higgins has successfully attached electrodes into a single vision neuron in the moth's brain. (Different neurons perform different functions like vision and the sense of smell. Humans have millions, if not trillions, of neurons. Insects have hundreds.) Now, Higgins is experimenting with connecting four electrodes into neurons on both sides of the moth's brain, expanding the visual image that the robot receives. "That should give me information about things moving on the left and right of the animal, at different speeds and moving up and down," he explained.

Higgins is also experimenting with tapping into the moth's muscles and olfactory senses. If he can work with the muscles, for instance, a strapped down moth trying to move in a certain direction would actually propel the robot.

"We're developing a lot of technology that could be used for prosthetic applications," said the researcher. "There are lots of people working on connecting functional brains to people who have nonworking limbs. You connect to the brain and send the information to a human limb or robotic limb. It's an area that is closely related to what we're doing."


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Post by A.N.N. » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:07 pm

Given the complexity of creating any kind of serious AI, and given the constant interface challenges, I believe we are more likely going to encounter the hybrid scenario well before anything like the gynoids we dream of become feasible. In other words, I thing the "Ghost in the Shell" world is far more likely and just around the corner than the "A.I." world.

There is a lot of neuro-research using simple Aplysia brains to rat brains to control machinery, even a jet fighter! And there's a lot of government money going into medical research for prosthetics right now. Generally speaking, where the big government research $ goes, so goes our overall technology. Lots of money in these. No money into pure AI, at least in the US.

Just my opinion, mixed with what I see and hear about in the lab where I work. But I really wish we did have human-like fembots :cry:
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Post by xodar » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:25 pm

A.N.N. wrote:Given the complexity of creating any kind of serious AI, and given the constant interface challenges, I believe we are more likely going to encounter the hybrid scenario well before anything like the gynoids we dream of become feasible. In other words, I thing the "Ghost in the Shell" world is far more likely and just around the corner than the "A.I." world.

There is a lot of neuro-research using simple Aplysia brains to rat brains to control machinery, even a jet fighter! And there's a lot of government money going into medical research for prosthetics right now. Generally speaking, where the big government research $ goes, so goes our overall technology. Lots of money in these. No money into pure AI, at least in the US.

Just my opinion, mixed with what I see and hear about in the lab where I work. But I really wish we did have human-like fembots :cry:
You're probably right.
The "practical" applications will probably be here before the "desirable" ones.
I confess, I sometimes wonder what kind of awareness the biological components might have (and how they are nourished). I don't think computers have any awareness so that doesn't bother me.
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Post by Steamboy » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:54 pm

That sounds really nice, but in order to maintain alive the brain, a life support device will be needed, some kind of synthetic blood and energy transform system, the chip will need to eat, and organic matter tends to die if its not fed. Just imagine going to repair your mobile phone because you didn't fed it with sugar.

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Post by xodar » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:27 pm

Dr. Amens wrote:That sounds really nice, but in order to maintain alive the brain, a life support device will be needed, some kind of synthetic blood and energy transform system, the chip will need to eat, and organic matter tends to die if its not fed. Just imagine going to repair your mobile phone because you didn't fed it with sugar.
Yes, that's where it gets messy. I admit synthetics are clean, or can be.
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Post by A.N.N. » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:19 pm

Although the research is in connecting rats to fighter jets, that's not the goal. The expected result is (1) to replace limbs that have been lost with synthetic ones (competing with stem cell research to just grow it back) and (2) to enhance the human capability with electronic add-ons (probably to the brain).

So rather than make our cell phones smarter with a goopy brain, we make our bodies have cell phone capability, i.e. direct connect the cell phone to our brain. This way the cell phone could be a normal synthetic addition or a goopy thing that can mesh organically. Like I said, lots of different efforts, and not well coordinated since it's in what we call "basic research" mode (like exploration) and not application or production yet.

Ideally (for us anyway) during this exploration of human (and other animal) brains we may find ways to mimic some of its behavior that can lead to decent AI (in a more traditional, electronic sense). One can hope.
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Post by xodar » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:48 pm

There's no way I want a cell phone connection inside my brain. I still don't own one though I may get one in a year or so.

It would be nice to integrate a printed circuit that contains en entire language, which you could then begin speaking almost immediately.

This kind of reminds me of something I hadn't thought about in a long time, speaking of animal brains guiding machines. In the 40s and 50s pigeons were taught to peck at pictures of objects and to peck more strongly as the object appeared to grow.
Actually, the pigeons were inside missles and trained to peck a TV screen showing a target building. The peck helped steer the missles into the building.
It was one of the first applications of Skinner's operant conditioning.
Then transistors were invented.
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Post by A.N.N. » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:36 pm

"It was one of the first applications of Skinner's operant conditioning.
Then transistors were invented."

That kinda thing is probably more true in all science than most people may realize :wink:
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