The unusual and degrading

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The unusual and degrading

Post by Karel » Sun May 13, 2007 6:54 am

Nobody take this the wrong way.
There isn't really a solution to this "problem." I don't venture to propose one. The Stock Images section of the Gallery, after all, is intended to be as vast a repository as possible of every especially suitable piece of photography. Its outpacing actual photo manipulations is just a fact of life, but, presently, it's doing that at a relatively slow rate, and its identity seems to be changing into a showcase for the unusual and degrading; there's a new, lurid emphasis on women photographed in any bizarre, grotesque, compromising situation. These photographs are often digital of a very low quality themselves, and so are not actually very suitable candidates for maniupalation. Anyone willing to try is obviously free to do so, and so should have access to them. I guess I'm just uncomfortable with a shift in tone in this whole enterprise. If this is becoming just another fantasy people use to imagine women being humiliated and dehumanized, God knows there are enough of those already.

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Post by xodar » Sun May 13, 2007 8:05 am

It's difficult to know what's "degrading" to women.

I had a large number of images stored up for a site that went under, and some of them seemed appropriate here. The original site was quite different and I deleted images of women vomiting on each other and the like, not just restrained. The original destination of the images was a commentary on extremist "gender" groups and their destructive nature toward their own members.
If you mean blatantly exposing their anatomies, the original models chose that profession and are paid. That is precisely what a humanlike female robot would be expected to do, anyhow.

The pictures will all be deleted when their time comes and there are few left in my folders, if you're bothered about some I've posted.
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Post by xodar » Sun May 13, 2007 3:48 pm

Thanks.
The original purpose of the images I've been going through and discarding was for a site that ridiculed extremes. A feminist link to the effect that men should pay higher taxes because they commit more crimes (a favorite of Swedish legislators) would be illustrated by mug shots of female teachers arrested for statutory rape. Similar tracts to the effect that women are morally superior would have images of emaciated skanks on smack passed out on garbage heaps, fat ugly hags vomiting outside bars, and drunk college girls pissing their pants. Men were not neglected, either. The site is gone after some years and I was left with many images.

I will explain why I put some of them here, even many that have low resolution. Some are just pretty. I thought the models would be good prototypes for bots. Some pictures I put up have been maniped: "Raylene" and "Jade" so far.
The now deleted picture of Gloria Trevi mocking the Coppertone ad was because of an exchange to the effect that domestic animals' "uncanny valleys" would differ from humans' because their senses differ from ours, so we may have to have dogs that can sniff out bots we can't immediately detect. I thought it was funny and echoed that discussion.
The Japanese model tied to the bicycle rack made me ponder that many business owners for some reason or another might not want robots in their stores. Naturally, androids even only as real as RealDolls would wear clothes in public. This picture was also funny in my estimation: all the girl has to do is slip the leash off, and she's clearly a professional model because she's extremely good looking and actually immaculately made up. (The blondes handcuffed by the highway are either models or girls who willingly paid to be humiliated -- I no longer know the sites of most of these -- and I figured "used" robots would be put out for yard sales like any unwanted furnishings.)
I am not interested in B&D or the like, either, but robots would still be just machines that could malfunction and go running into traffic or such. I bet there will be laws requiring they be restrained or turned off if left unattended in public more than some span -- 10 minutes or the like.
And so on. I had a lot of images I'd culled for a different purpose and wanted to illustrate some robot themes or themes discussed here and share some really pretty or sexy ones.
I only have about 5 or 6 left....
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Post by Tio » Mon May 14, 2007 9:29 am

I believe that providing it does not look as if the woman is being hurt e.g. blood wounds, welts, bruises or crying it is ok for her to be tied up or in any other bondage position.

Bondage and s&m are one thing but outright violence is another.
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Post by xodar » Mon May 14, 2007 12:24 pm

Tio wrote:I believe that providing it does not look as if the woman is being hurt e.g. blood wounds, welts, bruises or crying it is ok for her to be tied up or in any other bondage position.

Bondage and s&m are one thing but outright violence is another.
Pictures like that would not have any place here, though I used a few on the now defunct website. Besides, robots wouldn't bleed or bruise unless designed to do so. They'd just split open and show machinery and electronic parts.
This is about a positive technology that will help overcome the afflictions we've carried since whenever, not one that will duplicate them.
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Post by jesscake » Sun May 20, 2007 4:28 pm

I can see your point, in the fact that you're entitled to your own personal opinion, but as a woman, who enjoys the idea of being a sub, I don't personally have a problem with most of the images that i have seen so far.
The fact that Technosexuality can be described as a fetish with many components of fantasy interlaced in it, seems another evidence for me to suggest that these photos aren't degrading. It's the mere fact that it is all make believe and no one could ever really put it into practise.
However, I do sort of understand the concern of the photos used. Sure, these girls are porn and pin up stars, but surely, they haven't given consent for their pictures to be manipulated in this way?
Hmm...a tough subject...

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