How differnetly the genders view ASFR

[keraptis]

It's not so much that the transformation fetish ITSELF is threatening (personally, I find it all in good fun) but when you see some of the members of said intrest community reasons for liking it (i.e. they have issues with real women and would prefer them converted into something more docile/predictable), as I have here, it can be threatening for others.

True, but there are PLENTY of people on the "built only" side who have indicated that their interest in robots stems from inability or unwillingness to develop a successful relationship with a real woman.

There is no particular correlation between liking robots because you can't or won't deal with real-life girls and the transformation fetish.

Nor is there any particular correlation between fantasizing about cruelty to robots and the transformation fetish.

[M4R1A]

Yeah, no matter the aspect, my point still stands. However, if you lump together the negatives of, uh, all sides, that could turn into a discussion as to why being sexually attracted to robots/being a robot doesn't have a less unsettling light in public as opposed to just a gender discussion.

Of course that's just pointing out two aspects you see on these forums or the most active demographic of the fandom; the other communities I go to have a bit less of them than FBC and don't acknowledge or hone in on aspects like "transformation" or "built," just "sexy assed robots" (notice I said 'less' and not 'none at all,' lol).

[Lord of the Geeks]

I'll toss this in, though i dont know if it is exactly on topic.

This has many of the same attributes and actions as a S/M Dom/Sub relationship, but with one major difference I see.

In a Dom/Sub relationship, the sub/slave gives over total control of her body to the master... no different than being a robot programmed to do so... now a slave is subject to punishment for acting poorly or disobeying a command. punishments vary but often are painful, or shameful. sometimes the only way a slave can ask for attention is by disobeying and being punished.... this is the major difference....

If a bot malfutions.... you dont punish.. you repair. there's a caring here that isn't as evident in a dom/slave relationship. The bot must be cared for; maintained lovingly.. she requires a lot of personal intimate attention to function. (when a fembot girl wants attention.. she has a "malfuction")

I guess I feel there is a bigger give/take here than with a slave. yes she will bend knee to your whim and desire.. and do all that will make you happy.... but in return she gets your attention... lots of your close.. personal attention.

am i rambling or do you guys get where i'm going?

[M4R1A]

Lol, this is about how the diffrent genders view robot fetishism, not dom/sub

[Lord of the Geeks]

I thought it was valid, in that females are often made nervous by dom/sub as well.... the usual argument being the pain, or the puishment process is too uncomfortable... you'd think females would preffer this because of the attention they recieve

[xandimouse]

Paul asked:

Out of pure Curiosity alone, i was wondering how different the genders view our particular fetish. For example what turns each of us on, our experiences, how we feel about the sexual attratction in general?
Thought it would be interesting to see the differences between us... if any... Had alot of time to think about the opposite sex since my resent break up with my long term girl friend and am simply interested in their perspective on the fetish.

i'll try to take this a bit at a time, because i'm rather rusty, being away for a while.
gender = female, so this is where i'm answering from....And i really hope this isn't tmi. but i'm going to answer anyways.

"What turns each of us on?"
For me, i'm turned on by the act of having a maker/programmer/creater.
It turns me on to be 'programmed' to 'perform' and to malfunction. It turns me on to know that parts of the stories i read i can roleplay with someone. in a way, it almost is a little bit like D/s. but far more imaginative and sexy.
My experiences are rather limited. But i love pictures of me that have been modified, to portray me with circuitry. I've even had the honor of being drawn on, to similate seams, etc. Sometimes, i listen to a song, and i think about how i'd perform, like a doll on a music box. (There was a movie once. with a life sized dancing doll. I can't remember it. *sighs*)

"the sexual attraction in general"
I am attracted to fembots, yes. I'm just as much in love with them, as I am the idea of being one. I find their roles, their programming, their perfections and imperfections wonderfully intriguing. It's the typical little girl reading a romance novel syndrome. You feel a sisterhood, yet you are awed by the incredible umm. WOW of it all. (okay, yeah. i don't have the words to describe that part.)

My perspective of the fetish is probably a little skewed. One of the things I personally enjoy is not just the docility of the fembots, but in wanting to be one, the fact that the idea of having your crazy faults 'reprogrammed' and being able to perform as designed, without all these durn crazy hormones running around is wonderful.
Imagine the possibilities. wonderful sex drive. no headaches. no pms!

I hope this helps give you another side, albeit odd side, of the coin.
xm

[Karel]

This response is a little late, but... Robotman, your ex had two wild fetishes? Man, I obviously don't know the whole story of your relationship, but I would think that, for accomodating her, she would have been more than happy to accomodate you. Those two aren't even that bad in my opinion (they're certainly not rare); they're even compatable, with each other and with ASFR! It could have been coprophagia or golden showers or something just too physically disgusting to follow through with. Morally, I can't imagine any woman I know not taking severe exception to requests that she imitate a soulless machine, or the idea that I derive gratification from such dehumanization. But if she wanted me to play a pirate, or an SS officer, well, so much the better! Then it becomes give and take.

Anyway. My two cents. I just can't see any justification for vilifying other people's predilictions, given my own.

But the topic got me thinking about Code Author's most recent manip, of the photo posted by Kaiya. Very skillful manip, CA; I like it, and understand that it was done as a tribute of sorts, and just hope that that's clear. After all, in the manipulated image, we now have blanked out eyes, visible seams and ports (presumably for easy modification), and an on/off switch prominently located at the navel, where it can be accessed by anyone. It occured to me that, if we are to imagine that the individuals in both photographs are androids, the one in Code Author's image is without control over its personhood. Anyone can easily turn her on or off, and probably do other things to her. Now, Code Author is free (and welcome) to put forward his vision, and if his fantasy is also Kaiya's, even better. If not, though, I can see a potential for misunderstanding. My guess is that most women who fantasize about being robots will imagine themselves as rather more powerful and self-directed than most objects of robot-fetishist fantasy.

[Stephaniebot]

My experiences are rather limited. But i love pictures of me that have been modified, to portray me with circuitry. I've even had the honor of being drawn on, to similate seams, etc. Sometimes, i listen to a song, and i think about how i'd perform, like a doll on a music box. (There was a movie once. with a life sized dancing doll. I can't remember it. *sighs*)

Well the film I know where this happens is 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang' when Sally Anne Downes is the 'doll' on the music box. Hope thats the one you mean.

[Lord of the Geeks]

isn't there a wind up ballerina in the nutcracker?

[tully]

isn't there a wind up ballerina in the nutcracker?

I think I was about 12 when I saw a version of the Nutcracker where a wind-up ballerina was presented as a gift. The dancer did an excellent job with her routine.

I also remember asking my mother to see it again.

[andoroido]

If a bot malfutions.... you dont punish.. you repair. there's a caring here that isn't as evident in a dom/slave relationship. The bot must be cared for; maintained lovingly.. she requires a lot of personal intimate attention to function. (when a fembot girl wants attention.. she has a "malfuction")

I get it. I think it fits into an almost universal male-female relationship issue. As a man, I often have trouble understanding women and their irrational behavior.
How many arguments even in the most healthy relationships are based on really small things, miscommunication and misunderstadning? "Fixing" these little problems, we men learn "The woman is always right." It's even jokingly accepted by most people. If the woman gets angry (even when there is no justification, really) It's the man's role to figure out how to make things right. And often, we don't know how. We want to help and be nice, but can't.

A robot partner does not pose such problems. If you can read the manual, most problems can be repaired in a logical way. Lots of men would probably be much more comfortable (and successful) using a soldering iron to fix a robo-relationship problem than trying to write a love letter or such.

A perfect robo-relationship with no crisises (crises?) would be boring.
Replacing phsychological/social conflict with electro-mechanical breakdowns, you still have crisis-solution-gratitude to put spice in the relationship.

Many of the stories I enjoy have the human-robot couple helping each other and solving problems. The super-strong robot rescues the weak human. Later the human repairs or recharges the robot. Everyone wins.

[tully]

(when a fembot girl wants attention.. she has a "malfuction")

And attention she shall have.

[xodar]

If a bot malfutions.... you dont punish.. you repair. there's a caring here that isn't as evident in a dom/slave relationship. The bot must be cared for; maintained lovingly.. she requires a lot of personal intimate attention to function. (when a fembot girl wants attention.. she has a "malfuction")

I get it. I think it fits into an almost universal male-female relationship issue. As a man, I often have trouble understanding women and their irrational behavior.
How many arguments even in the most healthy relationships are based on really small things, miscommunication and misunderstadning? "Fixing" these little problems, we men learn "The woman is always right." It's even jokingly accepted by most people. If the woman gets angry (even when there is no justification, really) It's the man's role to figure out how to make things right. And often, we don't know how. We want to help and be nice, but can't.

A robot partner does not pose such problems. If you can read the manual, most problems can be repaired in a logical way. Lots of men would probably be much more comfortable (and successful) using a soldering iron to fix a robo-relationship problem than trying to write a love letter or such.

A perfect robo-relationship with no crisises (crises?) would be boring.
Replacing phsychological/social conflict with electro-mechanical breakdowns, you still have crisis-solution-gratitude to put spice in the relationship.

Many of the stories I enjoy have the human-robot couple helping each other and solving problems. The super-strong robot rescues the weak human. Later the human repairs or recharges the robot. Everyone wins.

Well, now you've opened yourself up somewhat to attack.
Still, problems are to be solved. If the robot needs help you first turn her off, then look at her circuits. No need to try to convince her with logic.

[Tio]

I am sooo fucking fed-up of being told how real women arent good enough and men would prefer a robot.

I am happy to be a bot for a guy but he must realise and love me for the human being that I actually am. We live in a reality where bots aren't real yet! Its only a fantasy, a role-play, and even though I participate on both sides I will not say that men are *insert complaint here* and I would prefer a robot. If I thought like that then any man would never compare to my fantasies and I would never find anyone real!

Sorry but I just needed to vent that.....

[tully]

I am sooo fucking fed-up of being told how real women arent good enough and men would prefer a robot.

Not at all the case here, but I can see where if someone had been "through it" quite a bit, they may prefer the artificial.

I am happy to be a bot for a guy but he must realise and love me for the human being that I actually am. We live in a reality where bots aren't real yet! Its only a fantasy, a role-play, and even though I participate on both sides I will not say that men are *insert complaint here* and I would prefer a robot. If I thought like that then any man would never compare to my fantasies and I would never find anyone real!

Then you, madam, are a rare woman indeed. I hope that if you do have a man in your life he realizes that. It's not just any woman who will indulge in a man's fantasy.

Sorry but I just needed to vent that.....

Glad you felt comfortable enough to do it here. After all, that's really what we're here for.

[TheSpotConlon]

I am sooo fucking fed-up of being told how real women arent good enough and men would prefer a robot.

I am happy to be a bot for a guy but he must realise and love me for the human being that I actually am. We live in a reality where bots aren't real yet! Its only a fantasy, a role-play, and even though I participate on both sides I will not say that men are *insert complaint here* and I would prefer a robot. If I thought like that then any man would never compare to my fantasies and I would never find anyone real!

Word. The fantasies of this forum are exactly that; no amount of wishing, hoping, or hatred of feminist tendencies (ahem) will change reality. And despite what the esteemed Mr. Billy Joel says, sometimes a fantasy is not all that you need. So let's cowboy up, people, and realize that fantasies are great for what they are, but they eventually add up to the two birds in the bush, wheras a flesh and blood woman is the ever-so-wonderful bird in the hand.

[xodar]

Speaking only for myself, I can say I'd prefer a robot for sex and a real woman for love. I also think that there's not a woman on the planet who could have a satisfying relationship with me, but I don't see that as being the fault of all women. I know it's my 'fault', if that's the right word to use. People just tend not to want autistic partners, so I think I'd be better matched with an android.

Possibly similar to my finding so many people irritating. It's idiotic to me, for example, to use use a discussion of some technical subject as a way of trying to assert one's ego over someone else. Every place I've worked people actually used industrial processes or production values combined with lies to get at others. What so-and-so feels about the boss or the person at the next station has to do with the laws of chemistry being used on the job is absolutely nothing. In my opinion that nonsense has held people back and we'd have been where we are now thousands of years ago without it.

A live female would be preferable, but chances are I'd have to put up with a lot of such nonsense and it bores me. Besides, I'm lower middle class and old so I have little money and am no longer (I suppose) good looking to females.

[Lord of the Geeks]

I am sooo fucking fed-up of being told how real women arent good enough and men would prefer a robot.

Maybe I'm an exception, but I personally like the Human+ aspect. I like a woman who does as I wish because she is fericely loyal, and respects that I am in charge. the bot aspect somes into play because I think augmentation is attractive. the machine making her more. (hell a metal plate pinned in a leg is enough to perk my interest.)
I am a fixer, an improver. I feel fufilled when I can make things work. Replacing a malfunctiong servo is far prefferable to trying to use words to stop her from crying. my brain is not wired for verbal communication, and the direct simplicity of repair is soooo atracttive.

[Korby]

Maybe I'm an exception, but I personally like the Human+ aspect. I like a woman who does as I wish because she is fericely loyal, and respects that I am in charge. the bot aspect somes into play because I think augmentation is attractive. the machine making her more. (hell a metal plate pinned in a leg is enough to perk my interest.)
I am a fixer, an improver. I feel fufilled when I can make things work. Replacing a malfunctiong servo is far prefferable to trying to use words to stop her from crying. my brain is not wired for verbal communication, and the direct simplicity of repair is soooo atracttive.

Nicely put. I can understand, respect, and identify with all of the above. I think this lines up pretty closely with my feelings on the matter, and you've expressed it better than I've ever been able to.

[xodar]

I am sooo fucking fed-up of being told how real women arent good enough and men would prefer a robot.

Maybe I'm an exception, but I personally like the Human+ aspect. I like a woman who does as I wish because she is fericely loyal, and respects that I am in charge. the bot aspect somes into play because I think augmentation is attractive. the machine making her more. (hell a metal plate pinned in a leg is enough to perk my interest.)
I am a fixer, an improver. I feel fufilled when I can make things work. Replacing a malfunctiong servo is far prefferable to trying to use words to stop her from crying. my brain is not wired for verbal communication, and the direct simplicity of repair is soooo atracttive.

As I've said, I want bots to resemble real women as closely as possible because I prefer real, biological females.
The fact is that women are now too angry, selfish, and egotistical without losing such female traits as their tendency toward hysteria, their automatic imitation of other females rather than friendship with males, and the subordination of reason to emotion. This is the result of extreme feminism, the attempt to change into men by becoming bitterly angry at men. Presently, politicians and lawyers have too much wealth and power to gain by pandering to this to change it. Women don't want to change it because they don't see beyond the rewards of divorce parasitism and social/legal priviledge.
The behavior that actually suits most women is disparaged and demeaned, and I don't doubt the inner conflict this causes them contributes to the anger. Probably women are in an emotional and social bind they've never been in, at least on such a large scale. I could offer advice but since I'm male the result would not be any healing but further tirades of hate-rhetoric. It's up to women to rediscover the virtues of caring, understanding, cooperation, politeness, and self-acceptance.

This may sound bad to some, but you'll hear more of it in the future as men get fed up with such nonsense.

Women have been screaming about how they don't need men. Why should they complain, then, about a technology that advances men's getting along without them? We'll leave them to their own devices, won't we?

Some improvement is doubtless in the future, but those of us who are old or have other drawbacks and/or are relatively poor can use bots. This will keep those of us who aren't as rich as Donald Trump or handsome as Brad Pitt from pestering that vast majority of women who are worthy of such men.

[Tio]

I would like to say that I am most certainly not easyily angry, selfish or egotistical, Xodar. I am also not Hysterical or prone to using emotion as blackmail. I am a level headed ordinary woman.

Your view of women is very jaded as not all women are feminists but that doesnt make them subserviant either.

I do believe in equal rites, for everyone, I dont care what sex someone is as I believe in love without gender. Considering all the girls I know, there arent that many feminists to be honest.

Most women just want to be treated well and to love and be loved. Most women I know are caring, understanding, polite, and self-accepting.

I have dated both men and women and can happily say that some men are thuggish and some women are mad but NOT all of them. You are taring my entire gender with your misconceptions based on personal hurt and hatred.

[RancidInsanity]

I agree with xodar on the hysteria part. All the girls I've meet all beleive in zodiac signs and all that crap. Nothing more than mass hysteria.

[tully]

Um...wow xodar...I don't know who hurt you so badly in the past, but man...I'm sorry such a thing happened to you.

However I don't think it's a solid basis for such broad generalization.

I've met some pretty and vindictive women in my time, but I've also met some pretty messed up men. Petty and vindictive doesn't begin to cover it. And no, they didn't get that way because of a woman.

I seriously doubt I'd change your point of view in all of this, after all you don't know me and I don't really know you. I'd be willing to wager that if you started looking at people as individuals and not as representations of a gender or race, you may find you'd get on a bit better with some of them.

[droidlvr]

I agree with.....,

Be careful of with whom you agree,that same person may try to question your intelligence RancidInsanity. I should know,it happened to me.

[xodar]

Well, the media is drenched with anti-male negativity. On the other hand, women who murder men are gotten off easily, including the wife who repeatedly ran her car back and forth over her husband with his daughter sitting shocked beside her.
I will admit that women who have sex with underage boys get at least token sentences -- although if they get pregnant the kids have to get paper routes or work at grocery stores to pay the child support.

Men should see such things as direct threats. Women should protest them.

But such legal liabilities are a major reason I am interested in artificial women.